Around the NHL (Part XIII): RIP Bob Suter

[Sarava]

The 6 and 8 year deals would be highway robbery for the Jackets, are you kidding? Look at how high the cap is getting. Johansen will easily get 8 million on his third contract, either from CBJ or someone else.

A bridge deal in the realm of 5.5-6 million makes sense and is something he earned. Fans need to adjust their expectations to where the league is today, not where it was a few years ago.

Highway robbery if the Ryjo from last year continues to be the guy who shows up, not the one who was disappointing before last season.

We're looking from afar. But you hear some thing from CBJ fans like him being benched in the AHL playoffs over his attitude, and it just shows you you need to be careful with this guy.

I think there 6 year deal is fair for both sides. It has the potential to be a steal for Columbus. But it also could be 30 million thrown in the trash if he reverts back to pre-last season. Not every young player's development is on a constant upward slope....you can't just assume he's past his issues and he will only get better.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Highway robbery if the Ryjo from last year continues to be the guy who shows up, not the one who was disappointing before last season.

We're looking from afar. But you hear some thing from CBJ fans like him being benched in the AHL playoffs over his attitude, and it just shows you you need to be careful with this guy.

I think there 6 year deal is fair for both sides. It has the potential to be a steal for Columbus. But it also could be 30 million thrown in the trash if he reverts back to pre-last season. Not every young player's development is on a constant upward slope....you can't just assume he's past his issues and he will only get better.

Not really. It comes out to aav of $5.3 million. If he were to play well then he's left a lot of money on the table.

The bridge contract is what makes the most sense - but it sounds like they can't agree on a number.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

How is that 6 yr deal bad? That is very reasonable

It was more than reasonable five years ago. Today and going forward? Not so much.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Well he has no real options here so he either signs or tries to find a KHL team

This isn't Kane/Toews we are talking about at this point so his demands for UFA $$$ as RFA aren't going to fly

Davidson is not type of executive I see backing down ,, He is type that will call bluff and move on with or without the kid

 

[Sarava]

Not really. It comes out to aav of $5.3 million. If he were to play well then he's left a lot of money on the table.

The bridge contract is what makes the most sense - but it sounds like they can't agree on a number.

It's all how you look at it:

Year 1: 3.1 mil
Year 2: 3.1 mil
Year 3: 5.3 mil
Year 4: 5.3 mil
Year 5: 7.5 mil
Year 6: 7.5 mil

If you paid him like above, which is probably what he will be worth in each year...it comes out to 5.3 AAV. So where are you thinking he is getting screwed? These are RFA years...or at least most are. He's not getting UFA money coming out of his ELC. When the contract ends he would be an UFA and could clean up.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

It's all how you look at it:

Year 1: 3.1 mil
Year 2: 3.1 mil
Year 3: 5.3 mil
Year 4: 5.3 mil
Year 5: 7.5 mil
Year 6: 7.5 mil

If you paid him like above, which is probably what he will be worth in each year...it comes out to 5.3 AAV. So where are you thinking he is getting screwed? These are RFA years...or at least most are. He's not getting UFA money coming out of his ELC. When the contract ends he would be an UFA and could clean up.

That amount isn't that generous - it's less than players like Eberle, Skinner, and Landeskog are getting. Like I said, he probably looks at the money guys like that are getting and figures if he plays well he'd be worth more.

Well he has no real options here so he either signs or tries to find a KHL team

This isn't Kane/Toews we are talking about at this point so his demands for UFA $$$ as RFA aren't going to fly

Davidson is not type of executive I see backing down ,, He is type that will call bluff and move on with or without the kid

What on earth do Toews and Kane - who signed those contracts in 2009 - have to do with anything? Is that what you think? That 2nd contracts signed 5 years ago are somehow relevant?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

A six year deal would be buying out two UFA years. I'd go bridge deal around 3.5-3.75 for two years, but yea, the kid is definitely wanting to be paid like a premier player and isn't willing to back up that demand by signing a short term deal and proving he's worth it.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I know that if after this season Saad was willing to sign for 5.3 for six years? Giddy up.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

That amount isn't that generous - it's less than players like Eberle, Skinner, and Landeskog are getting. Like I said, he probably looks at the money guys like that are getting and figures if he plays well he'd be worth more.?

Eberle 24 yrs old , NHL career so far
275 games with 96 goals + 125 assists for 221 pts

Landeskog is 21 yrs old , NHL career so far
199 games with 57 goals + 77 assists for 134 pts

Jeff Skinner is 22 yrs old , NHL career so far
259 games with 97 goals + 88 assists for 185 pts

Ryan Johansen is 22 yrs old , NHL career so far
189 games with 47 goals + 49 assists for 96 pts

One of these guys has proven less then rest ,, Who would that be? One of these guys was benched in AHL several times and had his work ethic questioned ,, Who would that be?

 

[Sarava]

I know that if after this season Saad was willing to sign for 5.3 for six years? Giddy up.

Hard to compare the two. Ryjo has the higher upside, but is a far greater risk. I also would jump at signing Saad to that.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Eberle 24 yrs old , NHL career so far
275 games with 96 goals + 125 assists for 221 yds

Landeskog is 21 yrs old , NHL career so far
199 games with 57 goals + 77 assists for 134 pts

Jeff Skinner is 22 yrs old , NHL career so far
259 games with 97 goals + 88 assists for 185 pts

Ryan Johansen is 22 yrs old , NHL career so far
189 games with 47 goals + 49 assists for 96 pts

One of these guys has proven less then rest ,, Who would that be?

That's not how Johansen is going to look at things. I'm sure he'll think

2013-14
Eberle - 80 games, 28 goals, 37 assists for 65 points
Skinner - 71 games, 33 goals, 21 assists for 54 points
Landeskog - 81 games, 26 goals, 39 assists, for 56 points
Johansen - 82 games, 33 goals, 30 assists for 63 points

And if he guesses right and his numbers stay consistent with that, he'll do much better than a 6 year contract for 5.33 aav.

Why would he want to sign a long term contract on the basis of three years when the last year was markedly better than the previous two if he believes that's the year that reflects his ability and that he can replicate it (or better it).

 

[poes law]

Hard to compare the two. Ryjo has the higher upside, but is a far greater risk. I also would jump at signing Saad to that.

Which is exactly why he should be signing a bridge deal. He doesn't have the history to demand a massive contract, but he does have the potential to earn one in the future.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

That's not how Johansen is going to look at things. I'm sure he'll think

2013-14
Eberle - 80 games, 28 goals, 37 assists for 65 points
Skinner - 71 games, 33 goals, 21 assists for 54 points
Landeskog - 81 games, 26 goals, 39 assists, for 56 points
Johansen - 82 games, 33 goals, 30 assists for 63 points

And if he guesses right and his numbers stay consistent with that, he'll do much better than a 6 year contract for 5.33 aav.

Why would he want to sign a long term contract on the basis of three years when the last year was markedly better than the previous two if he believes that's the year that reflects his ability and that he can replicate it (or better it).

Then he should sign a bridge deal. Which he doesn't want.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 1 h
MIN G Josh Harding's off-ice injury is significant, likely to be out months as opposed to weeks. On crutches/in a boot. Tough break.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I'm surprised "Cheechoo" isn't more commonly used verbiage on HF.

I'm also surprised that these two can't just agree to a bridge deal. 2 years at $6 mil or whatever. It's more than fair for both sides IMO. RyJo has proven nothing long term and has almost zero leverage.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 1 h
MIN G Josh Harding's off-ice injury is significant, likely to be out months as opposed to weeks. On crutches/in a boot. Tough break.

Shocker, a Minny goalie is injured

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Shocker, a Minny goalie is injured

And yet they wont give Kuemper a 1 way deal and didn't bring back Bryzgalov (Who IMO performed well enough last year he probably should have gotten an NHL offer to be a #2 somewhere)

I have Backstrom on IR by Thanksgiving (American)

 

[x Tame Impala]

So many weird contract negotiations going on.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Michael Arace @MichaelArace1 · 29m
Jackets decline to meet face-to-face with Johansen's agent, Kurt Overhardt. So, Joey and his agent flew out of Columbus today. What a mess.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Michael RussoVerified account
‏@Russostrib Bryzgalov tryout in works + re-sign Kuemper RT @Cberns44: @Russostrib What's the plan now that Harding is out for a while?

 

[Taze em]

Michael Arace @MichaelArace1 · 29m
Jackets decline to meet face-to-face with Johansen's agent, Kurt Overhardt. So, Joey and his agent flew out of Columbus today. What a mess.

This is going to turn out like Turris. There is no way that relationship could be repaired.

 

[hisgirlfriday]

I don't know about the rest of the offers, but the BlueJackets bridge deal if it's really just $3 million for 2 years is crap IMO.

Ondrej Palat got 3.3 million AAV this summer on his bridge deal with TB as a winger, with the same single year of big numbers (slightly less points than RyJo actually). And RyJo was Top 30 in faceoffs on the year. The only possible edge Palat has on him to explain him getting more is that Palat kills penalties.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

I knew a Minny goalie was gonna get injured.
Didn't think it would happen before training camp even started.

The RyJo situation is just all sorts of weird. I hope they can figure something out or he goes somewhere else soon. He was awesome for my fantasy team last year.......... lol

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 4m
John Davidson on Prime Time Sports says Johansen request on two-year bridge is "twice as much" as CBJ offer ($3M per).

 

[hisgirlfriday]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 4m
John Davidson on Prime Time Sports says Johansen request on two-year bridge is "twice as much" as CBJ offer ($3M per).

OK $6 is as ridiculous as $3.

So split the difference, sign him for 4.5 AAV x 2 (with the bigger money stacked on the back end), trade him at the deadline this year so you never have to pay the second more expensive year, and be done.

But I don't think 4.5 for a Top 30 faceoff center who had 60 points last year is that egregious.