crosby suffered another concussion during practice on friday. tough break for him and the pens
I'd take that tough break any day if I were the current Stanley Cup + WC Champion .
crosby suffered another concussion during practice on friday. tough break for him and the pens
4.76 x 3 years for Kucherov... Sure it's a bridge deal and there's a decent chance that Kuch walks in three years, but Yzerman manages that team so insanely well. It's almost like he has magical powers when you compare Stevie Y to Kenny. It's just not fair.
4.76 x 3 years for Kucherov... Sure it's a bridge deal and there's a decent chance that Kuch walks in three years, but Yzerman manages that team so insanely well. It's almost like he has magical powers when you compare Stevie Y to Kenny. It's just not fair.
he can't just walk (unless he goes to the KHL), still RFA after this deal is over.
For as much as people say Yzerman's players hate him, he seems to retain them quite easily and for good prices.
I would guess it's certainly easier if he has a winning team close to a stanley cup with a lineup full of high draft picks.
I'm sure you would know it seeing that's how KH and Wings used to get some players cheap.
Nobody said that Holland had "rifts" with major players on a regular basis at any point in his career. That is the distinction.
I would guess it's certainly easier if he has a winning team close to a stanley cup with a lineup full of high draft picks.
I'm sure you would know it seeing that's how KH and Wings used to get some players cheap.
Yzerman 2016: Kucherov, 3 yrs at 4.7M
Holland 2016: Helm, 5 yrs at 3.85M
That contrast is like turning on a lightswitch when you're wearing night-vision goggles.
As bad as Helm's contract is, comparing 100% RFA with 100% UFA contracts is totally freaking worthless.
As bad as Helm's contract is, comparing 100% RFA with 100% UFA contracts is totally freaking worthless.
Compare the Kucherov contract to the Tatar/Nyquist contracts and you have a better comparison.Yzerman 2016: Kucherov, 3 yrs at 4.7M
Holland 2016: Helm, 5 yrs at 3.85M
That contrast is like turning on a lightswitch when you're wearing night-vision goggles.
I don't think so. Obviously they're not the same thing but leverage is still at play. RFAs can still sign offer sheets, they're not totally powerless. Both Helm and Kucherov could have signed with any team, difference being Tampa would have had last crack at Kucherov.
People were specualting what, 6-7M for Kucherov possibly? Yzerman signs him at 4.7M. And at only 3 years, he'll still be an RFA as far as I'm aware.
Helm gets 3.85, for 5 years. It's not all that dissimilar to RFAs in this case. When your RFA gets offer-sheeted, you decide whether you want to keep him at that price. If ANYBODY in the league was willing to offer Helm those $$ and term, which I seriously doubt, then we should have let him walk.
Yzerman signs Kucherov for $ and term that were below expectations. Holland signs Helm for possibly more $ and undeniably more term than was expected, despite the fact that he wasn't really competing with any other teams (like I said, no one's offering Helm those $ and term, look what happened with Quincey). That's the contrast.
If you argument that Helm is overpaid when compared to Kucherov then just about every non-rookie forward is overpaid.
Compare the Kucherov contract to the Tatar/Nyquist contracts and you have a better comparison.
Florida also doesn't have state income tax, so Kucherov is getting paid like a $6+ million player. Yzerman is definitely using that to his advantage.
I don't think so. Obviously they're not the same thing but leverage is still at play. RFAs can still sign offer sheets, they're not totally powerless. Both Helm and Kucherov could have signed with any team, difference being Tampa would have had last crack at Kucherov.
People were specualting what, 6-7M for Kucherov possibly? Yzerman signs him at 4.7M. And at only 3 years, he'll still be an RFA as far as I'm aware.
Helm gets 3.85, for 5 years. It's not all that dissimilar to RFAs in this case. When your RFA gets offer-sheeted, you decide whether you want to keep him at that price. If ANYBODY in the league was willing to offer Helm those $$ and term, which I seriously doubt, then we should have let him walk.
Yzerman signs Kucherov for $ and term that were below expectations. Holland signs Helm for possibly more $ and undeniably more term than was expected, despite the fact that he wasn't really competing with any other teams (like I said, no one's offering Helm those $ and term, look what happened with Quincey). That's the contrast.
Compare the Kucherov contract to the Tatar/Nyquist contracts and you have a better comparison.
How often do we see offer sheets??? RFA's have significantly less leverage than UFA's and the caphits reflect that across the league. It is common for RFA's to be "underpaid" compared to what people think they are worth and UFA's to be "overpaid". There's exceptions to it, but it's true by and large across the league. We're an example of that ourselves. We got good value on Tatar and Mrazek, and lousy value on Helm and Abdelkader.
You're getting too hung up on RFA vs UFA. Go look at the reaction threads on the trade boards to the Kucherov and Helm signings. Kucherov's is unanimously praised for being a great value deal. That's relative to expectations for a RFA. Looking at Helm's, nobody likes it. I see a Jets fan glad he was no longer an option. "Feeling better about Shaw" was another gem. A fan of another team is glad their bad contract isn't as bad as our bad contract.
I know you've been vocal about your distaste for the Helm contract. Can you really not see the difference between Holland making the Helm signing and Yzerman making the Kucherov signing? And what it might say about Holland and Yzerman respectively as GMs? I won't hide it, I'd much rather Steve Yzerman were our GM right now.
The biggest difference seems to be that Yzerman is OK playing hardball with his players. He's rubbed a few people the wrong way, though, always the risk you take.