Around the NHL, 2016-2017 Season

[InjuredChoker]

Huh? Chychrun was always thought of as the most NHL-ready defenseman at the draft. He certainly is physically. The thinking is, though, that he won't top out as an elite, #1 defenseman. If that's what many teams believed then it shouldn't be a surprise he fell and that teams took risks on other, more higher-potential players.

defenseman (and many forwards) taken ahead of him don't have that kind of potential either, save for sergachev. knock on chychrun was his hockey sense. he's proving those doubts wrong.

 

[Frk It]

Eriksson Ek and Beauvillier doing well this season in the NHL. Liked both of them in the 15' draft class.

defenseman (and many forwards) taken ahead of him don't have that kind of potential either, save for sergachev. knock on chychrun was his hockey sense. he's proving those doubts wrong.

I think he was just over-scouted to death.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Eriksson Ek and Beauvillier doing well this season in the NHL. Liked both of them in the 15' draft class.



I think he was just over-scouted to death.

Eriksson Ek was definitely the guy I remember wanting with the pick we had, but I really wanted to trade up

 

[Pavels Dog]

defenseman (and many forwards) taken ahead of him don't have that kind of potential either, save for sergachev. knock on chychrun was his hockey sense. he's proving those doubts wrong.

I don't think he is proving anyone wrong just yet.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

I think he was just over-scouted to death.

Maybe, I question his offensive upside. I'm also concerned he's another Gormley.

 

[Wood Stick]

Maybe, I question his offensive upside. I'm also concerned he's another Gormley.

Their skating isn't comparable at all..

 

[Frk It]

Maybe, I question his offensive upside. I'm also concerned he's another Gormley.

Took Gormley 3 years to make it to the NHL. Took Chychrun 4 months.

Gormley has 5 pts in 58 NHL games. Chychrun has 3 pts in 5 NHL games.

Going to go out on a limb and say that is very unlikely. I can understand having questions on his offensive upside, I just think it's very unlikely he turns out like Gormley due to how far along he is already.

 

[waltdetroit]

Eriksson Ek was definitely the guy I remember wanting with the pick we had, but I really wanted to trade up

He played with the Iowa Wild vs GRG. I thought he was one of their better players even as a rookie

 

[TheMule93]

Hampus Lindholm signs for a quarter more million a year than DDK for 6 years (5.25m aav)

Lol

 

[Frk It]

Hampus Lindholm signs for a quarter more million a year than DDK for 6 years (5.25m aav)

Lol

They got a great deal on Lindholm, no doubt. He had the grounds to ask and get more, IMO.

But we bought 5 UFA years with Dekeyser. They only bought 2 with Lindholm. That makes a huge difference in how contracts are valuated.

Also, with Ristolainen and Lindholm coming in at reasonable numbers, it gives Trouba absolutely no leg to stand on with his high contract demands.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

They got a great deal on Lindholm, no doubt. He had the grounds to ask and get more, IMO.

But we bought 5 UFA years with Dekeyser. They only bought 2 with Lindholm. That makes a huge difference in how contracts are valuated.

Also, with Ristolainen and Lindholm coming in at reasonable numbers, it gives Trouba absolutely no leg to stand on with his high contract demands.

Yup i think with the reasonable Hampus Lindholm signing, That hurts Trouba in trying to get a big pay day here. I think Trouba will sign the exact same deal as DeKeyser 6 years $30 million or possibly maybe even a little bit less.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Hampus Lindholm signs for a quarter more million a year than DDK for 6 years (5.25m aav)

Lol

They've played almost exactly the same number of NHL games, similar point totals, Lindholm has averaged about 21 minutes per game the last 3 seasons and Dekeyser 21:30...

Good deal for Anaheim but it was right in the expected ballpark, just like Dekeyser. Only because it took so long to get done did it seem like Anaheim might have to overpay.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

They've played almost exactly the same number of NHL games, similar point totals, Lindholm has averaged about 21 minutes per game the last 3 seasons and Dekeyser 21:30...

Good deal for Anaheim but it was right in the expected ballpark, just like Dekeyser. Only because it took so long to get done did it seem like Anaheim might have to overpay.

Lindholm does a lot more with his time on the ice while facing the same competition. He generates more opportunities, suppresses more shots, and controls the puck for a lot longer. Dekeyser is often overwhelmed by the opponents he plays against, Lindholm does very well against them. Lindholm is a burgeoning number 1 defenseman. The deal is a steal.

 

[Claypool]

Lindholm does a lot more with his time on the ice while facing the same competition. He generates more opportunities, suppresses more shots, and controls the puck for a lot longer. Dekeyser is often overwhelmed by the opponents he plays against, Lindholm does very well against them. Lindholm is a burgeoning number 1 defenseman. The deal is a steal.

He was a RFA coming off his rookie contract. Of course his contract will be a "steal."

 

[Pavels Dog]

Lindholm does a lot more with his time on the ice while facing the same competition. He generates more opportunities, suppresses more shots, and controls the puck for a lot longer. Dekeyser is often overwhelmed by the opponents he plays against, Lindholm does very well against them. Lindholm is a burgeoning number 1 defenseman. The deal is a steal.

Detroit scored 47 goals 5-on-5 with DD on the ice last year, and allowed 49. Season before: 61GF-48GA
Anaheim scored 46 with Lindholm on, and allowed 42. Season before: 66GF, 43GA

Dekeyser has 64 ES points in the last 3 seasons (230 games), Lindholm has 66 ESP in 236 games.

And one has to agree that Lindholm has generally played on better teams surrounded by more talent. He is better and younger, but it's not a massive difference and I'm not surprised Lindholm's agent was unable to convince Anaheim that he deserves more than what he got.

 

[gretskidoo]

Lindholm is probably the best of the recent young top D signings and pretty sure he's also the cheapest one. Only Ekblad really has a case over him and he's making almost as much as Hedman's UFA contract.

No point comparing to Dekeyser because UFA years are way more expensive. This is also a steal while Dekeyser's is merely what you expect a UFA D of his caliber to sign for.

Here's a good article about Lindholm: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...s-lindholm-changing-way-judge-nhl-defencemen/

 

[izlez]

Just realized Carolina started their season with a 6 game road trip. How is that even allowed to happen?

 

[Frk It]

but it's not a massive difference and I'm not surprised Lindholm's agent was unable to convince Anaheim that he deserves more than what he got.

I am. Ristolainen's deal was the clear comparable for Lindholm's deal, but Ristolainen's deal included only 1 UFA year while Lindholm's includes 2. It's pretty remarkable that Lindholm's cap hit came in at less than Ristolainen's.

Dreger said earlier this month that Ristolainen was the floor for what Lindholm could get (suggesting he would get more than 5.4 AAV), and he pretty much guaranteed it could not be any lower.

Props to Anaheim for making that happen.

 

[Martinez]

So many team friendly contracts given out this year, hopefully Tatar signs for peanuts

 

[Frk It]

So many team friendly contracts given out this year, hopefully Tatar signs for peanuts

These team friendly deals have been comprised of mostly RFA years. Tatar's next deal will be mostly UFA years. So I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So many team friendly contracts given out this year, hopefully Tatar signs for peanuts

Don't forget that Tatar will only be signing for 1 RFA year and the rest will be UFA years don't see Tatar signing for any thing less then 5 years $25 million. He more then likely signs for a little more then Nyquist.

 

[Martinez]

Don't forget that Tatar will only be signing for 1 RFA year and the rest will be UFA years don't see Tatar signing for any thing less then 5 years $25 million. He more then likely signs for a little more then Nyquist.

But he is a rfa, so holland should have some leverage

 

[ProPAIN]

Just realized Carolina started their season with a 6 game road trip. How is that even allowed to happen?

There's been worse. I think the Canucks were on the road for even longer before the Olympics iirc. I'm sure there are other cases like that.

 

[Ezekial]

But he is a rfa, so holland should have some leverage

As much leverage as he had in the DDK deal, which is not much.

I knew someone would bring this deal up on here in regards to the Lindholm deal, not even blouse to comparable.

 

[Frk It]

But he is a rfa, so holland should have some leverage

He has 1 year left of RFA, and no matter what his next contract ends with him being a UFA.

So no, Holland doesn't have a lot of leverage. Similar to the Dekeyser situation.

So if he signs a 5 year deal, we will be paying for 4 UFA years, the deal will be 80% UFA years. Not the type of deals that are "team friendly", typically.