Around the NHL 11 - 2023/24

[LucianoBorsato]

Pavelski, 25 goals at age 39. I hope Scheifele is still that effective at that age.

 

[Channelcat]

Not as bad as Boschman on Sandstrom though.

 

[Moon Man]

Pavelski, 25 goals at age 39. I hope Scheifele is still that effective at that age.

He probably will be.

 

[raideralex99]

Is it just me, but why does it always seem that Jets competition in the Central are playing dogs almost every time we need out of town help. Avs v Jackets and Stars v Penguins tonite. I’m not expecting any help there.

Get use to it Dallas only has 4 games against good teams ... Canucks, Oilers, Avs and Jets they should win 7 or 8 of their 11 games remaining.
Avs and Jets have 7-8 tough games remaining so I expect Dallas to get first and Jets battling Avs for 2nd.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

I do miss classic Don.

 

[LucianoBorsato]

Get use to it Dallas only has 4 games against good teams ... Canucks, Oilers, Avs and Jets they should win 7 or 8 of their 11 games remaining.
Avs and Jets have 7-8 tough games remaining so I expect Dallas to get first and Jets battling Avs for 2nd.

I'm fine with Dallas winning the division, their reward will be Vegas or a red hot Nashville. Hopefully it's a tough 7 game war.

 

[Jets 31]

I'm fine with Dallas winning the division, their reward will be Vegas or a red hot Nashville. Hopefully it's a tough 7 game war.

I don't know, home ice advantage with last change might come in handy so just to be on the safe side let's win the division.

 

[WolfHouse]

Doesn't matter where we finish - there isn't any easy match up on the west

 

[dvst8r]

Preds win again, 5 points back. Keep this up and Jets could end up the WC.

 

[gojetsgo]

Preds win again, 5 points back. Keep this up and Jets could end up the WC.

still going to very hard for the preds to come back

 

[Channelcat]

Oilers looking worse than us right now

 

[Duke749]

I’m enjoying some Rangers/Panthers right now in ABC. So glad for all US fans that we can catch games on some big networks instead of hiding on some obscure network.

 

[robertocarlos]

I’m enjoying some Rangers/Panthers right now in ABC. So glad for all US fans that we can catch games on some big networks instead of hiding on some obscure network.

Thanks. I did not even know about ABC showing games. Then it hit me. I have ABC. Five minutes left.

 

[bustamente]

That was a hell of a game to bad the majority of the US is watching march madness

 

[bustamente]

Sharks lead 4-0, lost 5-4 truly a really bad hockey team

 

[Jets 31]

That was a hell of a game to bad the majority of the US is watching march madness

Hockey will always be low on the watch list for Americans , i think the pace of play is too fast, remember the glowing pucks .

 

[WolfHouse]

Sharks lead 4-0, lost 5-4 truly a really bad hockey team

Coach intermission pep talk was a poster of the draft board... where the sharks were when the game started and where they are if they win

 

[robertocarlos]

I spent 4 hours virtually driving all over LA after 10pm. It was so easy to travel from downtown to Anaheim and then to Newport Beach. Now I want to live in Newport Beach and cheer for the Ducks.
The Honda Center looks awesome.

I love LA.

 

[bustamente]

Penguins up 4 lose 5-4, oh by the way the Avs are a great team

 

[LucianoBorsato]

Penguins up 4 lose 5-4, oh by the way the Avs are a great team

They are but going down 4 goals and trying to come back against an actual elite team isn't getting you far in the playoffs. Goaltending is one of their flaws.

 

[bustamente]

They are but going down 4 goals and trying to come back against an actual elite team isn't getting you far in the playoffs. Goaltending is one of their flaws.

9 straight wins tells me they don't care, they just have so much talent on that team it's kinda embarrassing.

 

[Jets 31]

9 straight wins tells me they don't care, they just have so much talent on that team it's kinda embarrassing.

Cheaters .

 

[LucianoBorsato]

9 straight wins tells me they don't care, they just have so much talent on that team it's kinda embarrassing.

But it makes me feel good to try and knock them down a peg, however feeble my attempt is lol

 

[Laurose]

Is this current crop up of Winnipeg Jets truly playing to their strengths? Is the coach coaching to the teams position of strength or is the team trying to play into the coach's comfort zone? Are the Jets designed to play effectively to Bones' system? Are they round pegs being forced into square holes? I remember playing a chess game against an experienced player but he was no grandmaster. I played a defensive system and he tore me apart. Eventually I asked how he did this. He stated average chess players could beat better players simply by playing aggressively all the time; always be attacking. Force your opponent into unforced errors by shaking him up with that aggressive play. It works.

The Jets are not playing into their strengths; Ehlers, Conner, Namestikov, Perfetti, Toffoli and to a certain degree Iafallo are not neutral zone suffocating, defense first players. And this represents the bulk of our top forward group. These players struggle with physical play especially in board battles and with aggressive backchecking. They are skilled in their strengths which is to fly offensively, drive play and create chances. However, with Bones' system, he requires players to focus on defense first which also requires hard backchecking and constant physical aggression. Scheifele, Monahan, Lowry, Appleton, Neidereiter, and Barron play that way. Or try to. Some better than others, but the other aforementioned six are not designed to play that way. I don't think they can do that night in and night out. They get out-muscled and out-chanced when forced to play outside of their skillset. When you play a team like the Islanders who are not particularly skilled in comparison to the Jets, all the coach needs to do is tell his physical players to constantly attack the less physical players of the Jets; force them to make unforced errors with panicked play. Especially in the neutral zone. You also see opponents forcing the Jets into high percentage passing in the offensive zone especially on the power play with an aggressive defensive coverage. This creates higher chances of possession turnovers in the offensive zone which creates momentum shifts. Teams are less apt to be this aggressive with teams like the Avalanche, the Oilers, the Panthers, Hurricanes...teams with superiour offensive zone metrics. Those teams have physical and skilled players (a lethal combination the Jets can only DREAM to get!), talented players that are successful in board battles, and they also play a more controlled system which enables these teams to play the game at a faster rate and can do this by matching the level of aggressive play of their opponent. This is also helped with having physical defensemen who can also efficiently move the puck. We have Morrisey and to a much smaller degree Pionk. Other than those defenders, we have stay-at-home defensemen like DeMelo, Dillon, Samberg, Stanley, and Schmidt who cannot be expected to carry the offensive play and to create offensive chances in the neutral zone...they play to clear the zone, usually by flipping the puck or zing the puck out with a wing and a prayer out of the defensive zone and bring the puck to the forward group as quickly as possible. In the Western Conference, this type of play just simply won't fly. Against those in the playoff positions at any rate. That's why our play these past few months against playoff teams has been below .500. Our possession metrics have also started to crater. We expect a Vezina calibre goaltender to conceal our areas of deficiency with his stellar play...that is until he plays only average as Hellebuyck has this past week or two. Too much pressure on our goaltender to bail out team errors.

So my question...how much of this is because of the lack of creativity in Bones' systems? Is he expecting the players to play to his comfort level rather than adjust to allow his players more latitude in their skillsets? Can any player in our forward group be considered a Selke award candidate? Is this a GM issue with a GM that lacks the ability to truly team build? Does our GM have a vision on how the Jets can succeed and does he know how to build the team for this type of success? How does the Western Conference measure up to this? Are the Avalanche, Oilers, Stars, Golden Knights, and to a smaller degree the Predators considered strong Stanley Cup contenders season in and season out for the past 4-5 years? Yes they are and they have the possession metrics and post season success to back it up...nevermind the talent they've expertly constructed for their teams. I know Bones has coached the Stars to the Cup but he did so after the previous head coach got himself in trouble and was fired mid-season and the team was already constructed based on that previous coach's style. Look at Montgomery now and what he's doing with the Bruins with a team that had lower expectations after a brutal off season. These successful teams in the Western Conference all play the same systems which they excel at and of which the Jets struggle mightily against. And they win Cups. Those teams that aren't as skilled but play a heavy game routinely outplay the Jets as we've seen in New Jersey and in Long Island this past weekend.

We can dress this up any way we like but the bottom line is, the Jets aren't built to be successful in a Western Conference playoff scenario. Man, I really really REALLY hope I'm wrong!!!

 

[LucianoBorsato]

Is this current crop up of Winnipeg Jets truly playing to their strengths? Is the coach coaching to the teams position of strength or is the team trying to play into the coach's comfort zone? Are the Jets designed to play effectively to Bones' system? Are they round pegs being forced into square holes? I remember playing a chess game against an experienced player but he was no grandmaster. I played a defensive system and he tore me apart. Eventually I asked how he did this. He stated average chess players could beat better players simply by playing aggressively all the time; always be attacking. Force your opponent into unforced errors by shaking him up with that aggressive play. It works.

The Jets are not playing into their strengths; Ehlers, Conner, Namestikov, Perfetti, Toffoli and to a certain degree Iafallo are not neutral zone suffocating, defense first players. And this represents the bulk of our top forward group. These players struggle with physical play especially in board battles and with aggressive backchecking. They are skilled in their strengths which is to fly offensively, drive play and create chances. However, with Bones' system, he requires players to focus on defense first which also requires hard backchecking and constant physical aggression. Scheifele, Monahan, Lowry, Appleton, Neidereiter, and Barron play that way. Or try to. Some better than others, but the other aforementioned six are not designed to play that way. I don't think they can do that night in and night out. They get out-muscled and out-chanced when forced to play outside of their skillset. When you play a team like the Islanders who are not particularly skilled in comparison to the Jets, all the coach needs to do is tell his physical players to constantly attack the less physical players of the Jets; force them to make unforced errors with panicked play. Especially in the neutral zone. You also see opponents forcing the Jets into high percentage passing in the offensive zone especially on the power play with an aggressive defensive coverage. This creates higher chances of possession turnovers in the offensive zone which creates momentum shifts. Teams are less apt to be this aggressive with teams like the Avalanche, the Oilers, the Panthers, Hurricanes...teams with superiour offensive zone metrics. Those teams have physical and skilled players (a lethal combination the Jets can only DREAM to get!), talented players that are successful in board battles, and they also play a more controlled system which enables these teams to play the game at a faster rate and can do this by matching the level of aggressive play of their opponent. This is also helped with having physical defensemen who can also efficiently move the puck. We have Morrisey and to a much smaller degree Pionk. Other than those defenders, we have stay-at-home defensemen like DeMelo, Dillon, Samberg, Stanley, and Schmidt who cannot be expected to carry the offensive play and to create offensive chances in the neutral zone...they play to clear the zone, usually by flipping the puck or zing the puck out with a wing and a prayer out of the defensive zone and bring the puck to the forward group as quickly as possible. In the Western Conference, this type of play just simply won't fly. Against those in the playoff positions at any rate. That's why our play these past few months against playoff teams has been below .500. Our possession metrics have also started to crater. We expect a Vezina calibre goaltender to conceal our areas of deficiency with his stellar play...that is until he plays only average as Hellebuyck has this past week or two. Too much pressure on our goaltender to bail out team errors.

So my question...how much of this is because of the lack of creativity in Bones' systems? Is he expecting the players to play to his comfort level rather than adjust to allow his players more latitude in their skillsets? Can any player in our forward group be considered a Selke award candidate? Is this a GM issue with a GM that lacks the ability to truly team build? Does our GM have a vision on how the Jets can succeed and does he know how to build the team for this type of success? How does the Western Conference measure up to this? Are the Avalanche, Oilers, Stars, Golden Knights, and to a smaller degree the Predators considered strong Stanley Cup contenders season in and season out for the past 4-5 years? Yes they are and they have the possession metrics and post season success to back it up...nevermind the talent they've expertly constructed for their teams. I know Bones has coached the Stars to the Cup but he did so after the previous head coach got himself in trouble and was fired mid-season and the team was already constructed based on that previous coach's style. Look at Montgomery now and what he's doing with the Bruins with a team that had lower expectations after a brutal off season. These successful teams in the Western Conference all play the same systems which they excel at and of which the Jets struggle mightily against. And they win Cups. Those teams that aren't as skilled but play a heavy game routinely outplay the Jets as we've seen in New Jersey and in Long Island this past weekend.

We can dress this up any way we like but the bottom line is, the Jets aren't built to be successful in a Western Conference playoff scenario. Man, I really really REALLY hope I'm wrong!!!

This thread is talk about the rest of the league. Plenty of other ones to air grievances about the Jets.