Vegas is playing much better than I thought they would.
Beating the hawks 4-1 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd.
Beating the hawks 4-1 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd.
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Yes, very surprising. Even winning with their top goalies out.
Make that reservation for the parade down the Strip! LOL
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Miller, who was never a top 4 guy in Boston, and lost in the expansion draft. Jones, who had little value for the Kings. One 2nd round pick as RFA compensation, and Boston got a late 1st rounder for him(since he helped make SJ better). And then a mid 1st round pick. For Lucic at a $3m cap hit. It was working great when they were in 1st place basically that entire season.
The trade ultimately didn't work out, but did they really give up that much? The 1st would've been nice to keep, but this was still a roster one year removed from the Cup at the time.
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Yes we gave up a lot for a rental player who isn't even that good. And the Kings were not contenders.
It was just another example of just how poorly the Kings were run the last few years.
I think a strong case can be made that Lucic is one of the most overpaid and overcompensated players in the NHL, he is, and has never been the type of difference maker at the NHL level that many think.
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I just discovered the Bizzaro NHL Universe.....
https://www.nhl.com/coyotes/stats/regular-season/skaters/pm
In this Universe, defensively inept Luke Schenn holds the Cryotes ONLY positive +/- stat with a +2. Meanwhile, defensive stalwart Oliver Ekman-Larsson possesses a team-worst -10!!!!
https://www.nhl.com/coyotes/stats/regular-season/skaters/pm
In this Universe, defensively inept Luke Schenn holds the Cryotes ONLY positive +/- stat with a +2. Meanwhile, defensive stalwart Oliver Ekman-Larsson possesses a team-worst -10!!!!
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Who had Vegas with the best record in the league in late October?
A rental they had for a full year.
A backup goalie they were going to lose one way or another, an unproven defenseman that was ultimately lost in the expansion draft, and a mid 1st round pick, and whoever they might've taken might one day be as good as Lucic was. Maybe.
It may have been a desperation move by Lombardi, that ended up as the worst case scenario for the team, but saying "a lot more" is pushing it.
A rental they had for a full year.
A backup goalie they were going to lose one way or another, an unproven defenseman that was ultimately lost in the expansion draft, and a mid 1st round pick, and whoever they might've taken might one day be as good as Lucic was. Maybe.
It may have been a desperation move by Lombardi, that ended up as the worst case scenario for the team, but saying "a lot more" is pushing it.
Lombardi was phoning it in his last two seasons.
What I like about us today is that we at least arent panicking and throwing away our assets. Carter goes down and we keep on trucking. I am a big believer in the dance with the one you brung school of thought. Takes your times and make good decisions.
What I like about us today is that we at least arent panicking and throwing away our assets. Carter goes down and we keep on trucking. I am a big believer in the dance with the one you brung school of thought. Takes your times and make good decisions.
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I just discovered the Bizzaro NHL Universe.....
https://www.nhl.com/coyotes/stats/regular-season/skaters/pm
In this Universe, defensively inept Luke Schenn holds the Cryotes ONLY positive +/- stat with a +2. Meanwhile, defensive stalwart Oliver Ekman-Larsson possesses a team-worst -10!!!!
Defensive stalwart my ass, OEL is one of the most overrated players in the league and gets attention because he's been the only one on the Yotes with the talent to score in recent years. He's an above-average defender at best. Edit: in the defensive end, I mean
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Andrew Walker @AndrewWalker650 1h1 hour ago
Some interesting news: @FriedgeHNIC tells us Vegas has given Vadim Shipachyov permission to seek a trade. A few teams could use a Center
4:22 PM - 25 Oct 2017
Friedman's usually pretty on track with his info; and I'm sure those in the Duchene soap opera getting tired of Sakic's ineptness might move on. He is a skilled center with pretty good IQ and vision and would help the top 6 of those teams needing a fit.
Stamkos and Kucherov with 37 points between the two of them...Bolts are playing well, from the backend, thru the blueline (Hedman esp looking great) and the forward group. They look like a very hungry team. And props to Stevie Y for getting the Triplet line signed for 15M.
Some interesting news: @FriedgeHNIC tells us Vegas has given Vadim Shipachyov permission to seek a trade. A few teams could use a Center
4:22 PM - 25 Oct 2017
Friedman's usually pretty on track with his info; and I'm sure those in the Duchene soap opera getting tired of Sakic's ineptness might move on. He is a skilled center with pretty good IQ and vision and would help the top 6 of those teams needing a fit.
Stamkos and Kucherov with 37 points between the two of them...Bolts are playing well, from the backend, thru the blueline (Hedman esp looking great) and the forward group. They look like a very hungry team. And props to Stevie Y for getting the Triplet line signed for 15M.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there They signed him to a 2yr deal and he wasn't on their starting roster on Oct 6 and bounced him to the AHL a couple times., where he is now. He's only played in 3 games for them. And the 9M contract might be hard to move. Not sure what McPhee is thinking.
Because the Habs are strong down the middle...
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It was a terrible trade and use of asset management . Everyone knew Lucic would command at least 6 mil the following year except Lombardi. Miller at the time was a high value prospect, then we gave up another first that we desperately needed to restock the farm system. Jones was a legit number 1 in the making and the trade allowed him to be flip right back to our division rival, who btw, beat us in the first round the following season. You don't pay that much for a rental!
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Herby
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Because people in Buffalo really love NHL hockey. Probably more than any other city in the country.
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Just looking around the Vegas board and it seems like Shipachyov just was never able to fit in. Gallant and management wanted him the AHL to adjust to NA ice. Shipachyov is 30 years old and didn't want to do that so now they're looking for a trade. With all the praise that Vegas is getting (and deserved) they really missed on this one. Now you got a $4 million asset sitting in the AHL.
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No. It was a lot more, no matter how much you want to downplay what we traded away.
Jones - a backup goalie we were going to lose anyway... who was flipped for a first round pick.
Miller - An unproven defenseman who was taken in the expansion draft. Who has 4 points in 8 games for said expansion team.
And a 1st round pick. Considering the Kings only had 2 first round picks in 5 years, that high end cost-controlled talent would be invaluable to the Kings.
And in return they had one season of Lucic at 55 points and a first round bounce, and either letting Lucic walk or paying a crippling contract to keep him.
So there's really no sugarcoating how bad that trade was.
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That's just it, McPhee rarely thinks.
He's got Theodore down in the AHL because of an over abundance to defenseman on NHL contracts that are waiver eligible. He thought there would be such a demand when he drafted so many in the expansion draft. Guess he misread the market.
It's funny they are down to Dansk in net when they had Pickard. Still don't get why they let him go while acquiring Subban off waivers.
If Shipachyov had a one year deal, i'd be interested if LA would inquire.
I don't think Shipachyov would fit with the kings and while I have concerns about the kings future cap issues now that Iafallo, kempe, fantenberg, folin, et al are playing so well, I don't want to see the kings pay a high price for another rental.
It was a devastating deal last season considering our start and extremely bad asset management by DL and Co... When looking back at the draft and what Pos got for MJ, we certainly could have packaged Jones, 13OA and Miller to move up, maybe even 5OA which could have been Werenski, Hanifin or Provorov... but that done with and no use crying over spilled milk... But dammit that was a bad trade lol
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