All Ottawa Senators Head Coach discussions

[pepty]

Saying that there have been 7 coaches in 10 years and pointing fingers at the players doesn't take into considerations that all the players under Paddock and Hartsburg and nearly all under Clouston are not with the team anymore..

After Cloustons stint with the Senators he went back to the juniors coaching the Brandon What Kings when Mark Stone was captain.He was fired before his second year of a 2 year deal :
Luber's Lounge: Clouston Out as Wheat Kings' Head Coach
The hard-driving coaching style employed by Clouston was looked upon with disdain by the players, and his treatment of the players, especially the younger players, became such an issue that sources told me that team captain Mark Stone met with GM Kelly McCrimmon midway through the season to discuss the matter.

He hasn't had a sniff of the NHL since then.

Cameron had been with Melnyk for years and he had wanted him to get the job when it was awarded to Maclean, even though his tenure in Bingo was such as a disaster that the fans had chanted "Fire Cameron" at every game and bought banners to the rink saying the same thing.

A lot of the coaches carousel had a lot to do with the coaches they brought in.

 

[coladin]

I just don't understand the stubbornness displayed by Boucher. Change up the PP, and for sure you have to think that Dorion watching last night would have liked to see Chabot on that 5 on 3. Boucher has an answer for everything except how to win a bleeping hockey game. Hoff misses a wide open net. Condon lets in a horrible goal. It just seems like the team is finding a new scapegoat every game and honestly don't see how they pull out of this .

Oduya still in the lineup may actually get him fired. The changes that are easy to do at this stage are sitting, Oduya, Burrows and waiving Dumont and bringing up youth, or playing youth. He has to do something, for the love of God.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Maybe the coaches we keep hiring just suck and this whole management and ownership is unable to evaluate good coaches.

Our best hope is new ownership that scorches this whole thing to the ground from top to bottom.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I like Boucher. He deserves to last the whole season. If he has one bad year, that's one good year and one bad year, so he deserves the first month at least in the next season.

 

[kenempa]

Last year he easily could've at least been nominated for the Jack Adams award

 

[pepty]

I just don't understand the stubbornness displayed by Boucher. Change up the PP, and for sure you have to think that Dorion watching last night would have liked to see Chabot on that 5 on 3. Boucher has an answer for everything except how to win a bleeping hockey game. Hoff misses a wide open net. Condon lets in a horrible goal. It just seems like the team is finding a new scapegoat every game and honestly don't see how they pull out of this .

Oduya still in the lineup may actually get him fired. The changes that are easy to do at this stage are sitting, Oduya, Burrows and waiving Dumont and bringing up youth, or playing youth. He has to do something, for the love of God.

The big question now is will/can Boucher change.
When Boucher was let go from his Swiss team their spokesman mentioned how stubborn he was and seemingly closed to change.
But this pattern of one great year and then falling off a cliff has followed him wherever he has gone and has been noted around the league.
If he can institute a changed system it may be the best thing for him and his career as well as for the Sens.
If he cant or wont it doesn't bode well for either.And no one wants to see another dead coach walking.
Pierre McGuire thought that some changes have to come in most aspects of the Sens game. Here is the interview from this morning which was interesting.
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/mcguire-sens-are-lost-as-to-how-to-play-right-now-1.94238

 

[Agent Zub]

Last year he easily could've at least been nominated for the Jack Adams award

And this year is this year.

This is a pattern with Boucher.

Anyway as painful as it is watching Boucher hockey right now. I think keeping him ensures a successful high pick. Which is the only bright spot left to this season.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Saying that there have been 7 coaches in 10 years and pointing fingers at the players doesn't take into considerations that all the players under Paddock and Hartsburg and nearly all under Clouston are not with the team anymore..

After Cloustons stint with the Senators he went back to the juniors coaching the Brandon What Kings when Mark Stone was captain.He was fired before his second year of a 2 year deal :
Luber's Lounge: Clouston Out as Wheat Kings' Head Coach
The hard-driving coaching style employed by Clouston was looked upon with disdain by the players, and his treatment of the players, especially the younger players, became such an issue that sources told me that team captain Mark Stone met with GM Kelly McCrimmon midway through the season to discuss the matter.

He hasn't had a sniff of the NHL since then.

Cameron had been with Melnyk for years and he had wanted him to get the job when it was awarded to Maclean, even though his tenure in Bingo was such as a disaster that the fans had chanted "Fire Cameron" at every game and bought banners to the rink saying the same thing.

A lot of the coaches carousel had a lot to do with the coaches they brought in.

Sure you can only go back so far and there is roster turnover so doesn't make any sense to connect dots from players past to present, but when I watch the players on the ice and they mess up horribly, why would I blame the coach? Are these guys still in pee-wee?

The defensive coverage on that Sabres second goal was laughably bad, does Boucher need to teach them how to play house league D?

The players aren't mentally ready for each game, and they aren't working hard enough, that's why my eye test is telling me when I watch the games anyway. That Zack Smith penalty last night? WTF was that lazy shit?

 

[BatherSeason]

I like Boucher. He deserves to last the whole season. If he has one bad year, that's one good year and one bad year, so he deserves the first month at least in the next season.

So what do you suggest this team does from here on out? The coach is obviously not putting this team in the best position to succeed and the team doesn't look like they are going to magically start playing well again, so what's next?

 

[BatherSeason]

The players aren't mentally ready for each game, and they aren't working hard enough, that's why my eye test is telling me when I watch the games anyway. That Zack Smith penalty last night? WTF was that lazy ****?

Not being ready to play is on the coach.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Not being ready to play is on the coach.

I disagree. Does the coach need to set their alarms for them and tell them how to mentally prepare for games?

Well....these are professional athletes so maybe you're right, maybe half of them can't even wipe their own asses.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Not being ready to play is on the coach.

Not when the team is so down on themselves as the Sens are its not a normal game... get the players up for a game like this he can only do so much.

 

[JonnyMacSen]

I doubt anything happens till after this weekend, even then I think its best they just ride out the season and look for new coach in the offseason when better options may be available.

Any coaching change now will just bring us out of the top 10 but not in a playoff position.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

So what do you suggest this team does from here on out? The coach is obviously not putting this team in the best position to succeed and the team doesn't look like they are going to magically start playing well again, so what's next?

I disagree. I don't see anything he's doing that is not putting the team in the best position to succeed.

What's next is to move some of the players, starting with Mike Hoffman who is not a core player and is extremely overrated by the fanbase.

 

[Micklebot]

Not being ready to play is on the coach.

Coaches responsibility is to ensure they know what to expect from the opposition, identify tendencies to be exploited, or look out for. I'm not convinced it's all on the coach to ensure the players are sharp to start games. I mean, sure a little, but the vast majority of that responsibility lies on the players themselves imo.

 

[Alex1234]

I disagree. I don't see anything he's doing that is not putting the team in the best position to succeed.

What's next is to move some of the players, starting with Mike Hoffman who is not a core player and is extremely overrated by the fanbase.

If the coach puts the team in the best position to succeed and plays Hoffman 18:51 min/game
Why move him?

 

[Micklebot]

I disagree. I don't see anything he's doing that is not putting the team in the best position to succeed.

What's next is to move some of the players, starting with Mike Hoffman who is not a core player and is extremely overrated by the fanbase.

Personally, I really think Chabot needs to be in the lineup. That imo is a big issue. Aside from that, I find the PP to be a real sticking point. Whatever we're doing, it's not working. Unlike last year, the entry seems ok, but once we're set up, we get very few chances with the goalie moving, or a screen set up. We struggle to get shots past the blocks too. Moving the puck around the exterior of the box is fine if you're moving it quick and get off one-timers, but we don't do that. We give the goalie time to get across and the forwards to get in the shooting lanes.

 

[topshelf15]

Our offense is great off the rush....thats it.Winning the puck possession game,involves grinding along the boards to retain or regain possession.And thats what our top 6 cant seem to do ...It has been this way for a few seasons now

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Personally, I really think Chabot needs to be in the lineup. That imo is a big issue. Aside from that, I find the PP to be a real sticking point. Whatever we're doing, it's not working. Unlike last year, the entry seems ok, but once we're set up, we get very few chances with the goalie moving, or a screen set up. We struggle to get shots past the blocks too. Moving the puck around the exterior of the box is fine if you're moving it quick and get off one-timers, but we don't do that. We give the goalie time to get across and the forwards to get in the shooting lanes.

AT this point ,,, I am sure he will be...
He should likely have been in the lineup from the beginning as he was when EK was out and he should have stayed.
I think Colin White should be up too.. He is a cerebral player that goes to the right spot moves the puck to the open man on time, ... little things that would imo could very well be more effective in the NHL where players would read and react more similarly than in the AHL

The whole situation fn sucks right now.. its hard to be up beat about anything

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Our offense is great off the rush....thats it.Winning the puck possession game,involves grinding along the boards to retain or regain possession.And thats what our top 6 cant seem to do ...It has been this way for a few seasons now

And I will add, that although Duchene is not a big guy, he has helped in this department

 

[pzeeman]

Watching last night, it confirmed something I noticed at the beginning of the slump.

Does this team ever set up a cycle in 5-on-5? Do they entirely rely on the rush to generate any chance? I always notice the Senators opponents cycling, but I never notice the Senators getting set up.

 

[topshelf15]

And I will add, that although Duchene is not a big guy, he has helped in this department

Agreed ,my big issue from the coach.Is you already know the limits and strengths of your top 6.Why the hell are you not playing what can help a rush offense??In a great PMD like Chabot..

We have a smallish skilled quick strike offense,that Boucher seems to want play like a heavy grind team.Let the team run and gun a bit get a decent lead ...Then use your decent bottom 6 to shut the door

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Agreed ,my big issue from the coach.Is you already know the limits and strengths of your top 6.Why the hell are you not playing what can help a rush offense??In a great PMD like Chabot..

We have a smallish skilled quick strike offense,that Boucher seems to want play like a heavy grind team.Let the team run and gun a bit get a decent lead ...Then use your decent bottom 6 to shut the door

I do not see a heavy grind game , or a desire to play that way... IMO Boucher wants quickness and he wants less mistakes .

 

[BondraTime]

I do not see a heavy grind game , or a desire to play that way... IMO Boucher wants quickness and he wants less mistakes .

Sit in the neutral zone, spread wide, wait for a mistake and counter attack.


If there is no mistake, clumsily get the puck out, and start all over.

Rinse and repeat.

The best part is the "stop attacking in the 3rd" approach. That's my favorite aspect of the Sens.

 

[topshelf15]

I do not see a heavy grind game , or a desire to play that way... IMO Boucher wants quickness and he wants less mistakes .

Bad choice of words..he wants to muck it up in the neutual zone and use that quick strike offense on the counter.Another issue this team has is passing...If you cant win the puck possession game by being good along the boards.You need to figure out another way,one way would be being able to pass the puck at high speed..Would help