Value of: Adam Fox

[Riley 88]

McAvoy is a great player. So is Adam Fox. They are different type of players though. For my money, I want Fox, but YMMV.
Really no need to get upset if others prefer Fox. It's not like one stands above the other by any significant margin.

Its not even close. And anyone tht would take Fox...Is a FANBOY or does not understand hockey

 

[The S5]

Its not even close. And anyone tht would take Fox...Is a FANBOY or does not understand hockey

Umm, okay.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Its not even close. And anyone tht would take Fox...Is a FANBOY or does not understand hockey

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[TS Quint]

Not a comment on Fox but this list of players really just shows how this stat isn’t good at least on its own.

 

[Heckler81]

I feel like this discussion should be in the NHL thread and not trade rumors thread.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I feel like I'm one of the biggest proponents of McAvoy there is. I think he could easily have won the Norris last season, and could win it this season. I think he's the best defenseman in the league at defending. However, Fox this season has put himself in that same top tier of defensemen. I don't know that Fox is better than McAvoy, but I don't think McAvoy is noticeably better.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Its not even close. And anyone tht would take Fox...Is a FANBOY or does not understand hockey

And, with this post, irony promptly died.

 

[Doriva]

Its not even close. And anyone tht would take Fox...Is a FANBOY or does not understand hockey

Pot meet Kettle.

 

[jay from jersey]

Its not even close. And anyone tht would take Fox...Is a FANBOY or does not understand hockey

And anyone that compare Grzelyk to Fox is a schmo. Fox just dropped 20 pts this month. Last 2 rangers D to do that we’re Leetch and brad Park. All while playing stellar defense against the best in the business. Lemme know when the big G starts getting some milestones

 

[CupHolders]

Not a comment on Fox but this list of players really just shows how this stat isn’t good at least on its own.

Top five all grew up, went through or are on Long Island. Just shows that it’s the water.

 

[TS Quint]

Top five all grew up, went through or are on Long Island. Just shows that it’s the water.

Lead?

 

[UnSandvich]

Top five all grew up, went through or are on Long Island. Just shows that it’s the water.

Clearly it's the bagels

 

[CupHolders]

Lead?

Clearly it's the bagels

Long Island... Bagels and Heavy Metals... But less Lead and more big hair 80's Twisted Sister!

 

[5cotland]

Long Island... Bagels and Heavy Metals... But less Lead and more big hair 80's Twisted Sister!

Random but talking of Twisted Sister, my cousin done a interview and photoshoot with Dee Snider yesterday in LA.

Not hockey related but I thought it was damn cool.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I’m a huge Charlie McAvoy fan. His family is from Long Beach, where I have tons of family. His father did plumbing for my family. His father also grew up playing hockey with my uncle and I used to see his father bring Charlie down to the roller rink to do off-ice drills. My stepfather worked with his father and aunts and uncles when they were young. I rooted so hard for Boston to beat St. Louis in 2019 because of Charlie.

However, if you think there is some massive gap between McAvoy and Fox, you probably don’t watch Fox at all. Fox is an incredible defender (I’ll concede that McAvoy is better defensively - one of the top 3-5 best in the league defensively, IMO) but Fox is scoring at a 73 point pace over an 80 game season with the Rangers power play being abysmal, 25th in the league - skewed because of the 2 games against the flyers in which they scored a total of 17 goals. McAvoy plays 2:11 on the PP, 2:25 SH, 19:36 at ES and 24:11 TOI overall. Fox plays 4:08 on the PP, 2:32 SH, and 17:50 at ES per game, 24:29 TOI overall per game. The PP TOI disparity is because Quinn BARELY uses the 2nd unit and McAvoy isn’t even Boston’s #1 d-man in PP TOI/game, Grzelcyk is at 3:30/game. Charlie also has to play 19:36 per game at ES because Boston has a very young defense and it’s kinda weird that Brandon Carlo, Matt Grzelcyk and Kevan Miller get less ES TOI/game than Connor Clifton and Jakub Zboril, despite the former three having more NHL games under their belt than the latter two.

Fox and McAvoy are clearly minutes eaters that are both playing Norris Caliber hockey. The eye test and analytics tell you this. Rangers and Bruins fans should both be happy to have their guys and expect to see them both play for team USA in the upcoming Olympics, if Bettman sends the NHL’ers.

 

[SRHRangers]

I really think the Fox/Mcavoy debate is splitting hairs.

They may both wind up being 2/3 of the Norris nominations this season and both will play for Team USA.

 

[Dumpster Flyers]

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The defender whose name is blurred in that picture is actually Seth Jones, but keep telling yourself that he’s better than Fox.

And PIETRANGELO?!?!? Hahahah. Have you even watched him this year? Not even the best defender on his own team and isn’t playing like a #1.

Doughty LMFAO.

Ok, we’re done here.

I don't understand the shade thrown at Doughty. He's having a Norris caliber season (if not for Hedman).

 

[One Winged Angel]

I don't understand the shade thrown at Doughty. He's having a Norris caliber season (if not for Hedman).

I don’t disagree that Doughty is having a resurgent year. I think he’s getting a bit overrated because of his name.

Does he deserve Norris votes? Yes. To be a finalist? I personally don’t think so.

 

[DontLaughAtThat]

7mill + AAV

 

[Capathetic]

Anyways getting back to his trade value the answer should be insanely high. Or not available at all.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

You gotta wonder what his next deal will look like. 8x$9.5M?

 

[wintersej]

I would sign fox for 8 x $6mill if he would accept that. Some players you just know will be good. Makar, Hughes, Girard, Fox... lock those guys up Max deals.

See I’m not sure about this. When is your window? A bridge can be better if you are trying to be competitive over the life of the bridge.

 

[bbny]

You gotta wonder what his next deal will look like. 8x$9.5M?

I think he will give a hometown discount. He's from Long Island and grew up a big Rangers fan. This is the only place he wanted to play. He forced his way here. He wants to win a Cup(s) here, and the best way to do that isn't by maxing out on a contract. It's by saving the team a bit of cap to build the best team possible. 8 x 8-8.5 IMO. He will still be handsomely paid, but a bit less than what he's actually worth.

 

[bbny]

And reading through this thread...where is Riley 88? Oh my....

 

[Stealth1616]

“Not a Norris caliber defenceman” bet whoever wrote that feels silly