Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft - Shall We Begin?
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Stizzle
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So, I looked at Pronman's final rankings. And uh......
Yeah.
I just looked.
Ryan Merkley... All in.
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I knew that though. It’s more the rest — you can give your favorites if you want! — though I don’t know why I’m surprised.
I’m honestly convinced he doesn’t care or have any ability to discern hockey sense or what translates. Far be it from me to criticize someone diverging from consensus, but it’s the poo flinging methodology of his rankings that drive me bonkers or controversial takes for the sake of it. You can never discern why he likes one player and not another or what he is even watching sometimes. He’s a slave to highlight reel raw talent, except when he’s not.
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I'm not going to even try making heads or tails of his rankings. Anyone who has followed him knows the deal by now.
It's just such a head scratcher to see guys like Farabee and Berggren listed as 2nd round talents. These are the exact type of guys he's gone gaga over in the past.
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So I'm not really familiar with Pronman, but what I find most ridiculous, is that he doesn't have 31 guys in his first round selection pool. I'm sure he knows how it works, only having ~21 guys as 1st round picks just seems like a cop-out. He couldn't discern differences, so just called it quits and just pressed the easy button.
In Pronman's own words:
Dominik Bokk: "His skating is fine, not explosive, but average. The main criticism of him is off the puck. He’s not a very intense physical player nor is he great defensively. His production hasn’t been amazing this season in Sweden’s junior circuit, but he didn’t play much high-level hockey until 17, so his game needs some maturing."
No. 8 overall.
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Dominik Bokk: "His skating is fine, not explosive, but average. The main criticism of him is off the puck. He’s not a very intense physical player nor is he great defensively. His production hasn’t been amazing this season in Sweden’s junior circuit, but he didn’t play much high-level hockey until 17, so his game needs some maturing."
No. 8 overall.
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To maybe get a conversation going its looking like the devils will draft a Dman at #17 in the hf boards mock draft either Wilde or miller ....not sure what Columbus needs but kaut and Berggren still on the board.
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Pronman is not an expert. Hes just a fan with an opinion based on limited expertise. I think we all know that by now.
Just look at his 2013-2015 rankings. They are all over the place. More misses than hits. Bracco in top 20 in 2015, ROBERT HAGG top 20 in 2013, etc.
Just look at his 2013-2015 rankings. They are all over the place. More misses than hits. Bracco in top 20 in 2015, ROBERT HAGG top 20 in 2013, etc.
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Noah Dobson #20. Robert Hagg top 20. Ghost unranked. Merkley top 10. Samuelsson #70.
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This is a combination of things that seriously exists? I've been afraid to read the two articles...I guess I'm going in now.
15 and 30 in that order.
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15 and 30. I don't have an issue with that; it's close to mine. There are some lower/higher than consensus players I do agree with him on.
Farabee at like 27 -- skeptical about his offense. Berggren 24 -- wish he was more skilled/creative. Plenty other illogical ones that don't match any eye test or seem at odds with others he's ranked.
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Man. I don't agree with Farabee at 27. That kid is a player. Smart, high motor, sees the ice tremendously. I get that he probably won't be a 70 point player. But I see no reason he can't be a perennial 50-60 point player and general pain in the ass to play against, sort of like Oshie.
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Farabee or Kravtsov at 14 for me. I probably slightly lean Farabee to avoid the Russia factor.
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Who are you taking at 19 under this scenario. I am leaning Kupari or Kaut. I like Thomas a lot too.
1. Buffalo Sabres - Rasmus Dahlin, D, Frolunda SHL
2. Carolina Hurricanes - Andrei Svechnikov, RW, Barrie Colts OHL
3. Montreal Canadiens - Filip Zadina, LW, Halifax Mooseheads QMJHL
4. Ottawa Senators - Oliver Wahlstrom, RW, USNTDP
5. Arizona Coyotes - Noah Dobson, D, Bathurst Titan QMJHL
6. Detroit Red Wings - Brady Tkachuk, LW, Boston University NCAA
7. Vancouver Canucks - Quinn Hughes, D, Michigan NCAA
8. Chicago Blackhawks - Evan Bouchard, D, London Knights OHL
9. New York Rangers - Adam Boqvist, D, Brynas SHL
10. Edmonton Oilers - Ty Smith, D, Spokane Chiefs WHL
11. New York Islanders - Barrett Hayton, C, Soo Greyhounds OHL
12. New York Islanders - Bode Wilde, D, USNTDP
13. Dallas Stars - Jesperi Kotkaniemi, C/LW, Assat Liiga
14. Philadelphia Flyers - Joel Farabee, LW, USNTDP
15. Florida Panthers - Vitali Kravtsov, RW, Traktor Chelyabinsk KHL
16. Colorado Avalanche - Joe Veleno, C, Drumondville Voltigeurs QMJHL
17. New Jersey Devils - Isac Lundestrom, LW/C, Lulea HF SHL
18. Columbus Blue Jackets - Grigori Denisenko, LW, Lokomotiv Yaroslavl KHL
1. Buffalo Sabres - Rasmus Dahlin, D, Frolunda SHL
2. Carolina Hurricanes - Andrei Svechnikov, RW, Barrie Colts OHL
3. Montreal Canadiens - Filip Zadina, LW, Halifax Mooseheads QMJHL
4. Ottawa Senators - Oliver Wahlstrom, RW, USNTDP
5. Arizona Coyotes - Noah Dobson, D, Bathurst Titan QMJHL
6. Detroit Red Wings - Brady Tkachuk, LW, Boston University NCAA
7. Vancouver Canucks - Quinn Hughes, D, Michigan NCAA
8. Chicago Blackhawks - Evan Bouchard, D, London Knights OHL
9. New York Rangers - Adam Boqvist, D, Brynas SHL
10. Edmonton Oilers - Ty Smith, D, Spokane Chiefs WHL
11. New York Islanders - Barrett Hayton, C, Soo Greyhounds OHL
12. New York Islanders - Bode Wilde, D, USNTDP
13. Dallas Stars - Jesperi Kotkaniemi, C/LW, Assat Liiga
14. Philadelphia Flyers - Joel Farabee, LW, USNTDP
15. Florida Panthers - Vitali Kravtsov, RW, Traktor Chelyabinsk KHL
16. Colorado Avalanche - Joe Veleno, C, Drumondville Voltigeurs QMJHL
17. New Jersey Devils - Isac Lundestrom, LW/C, Lulea HF SHL
18. Columbus Blue Jackets - Grigori Denisenko, LW, Lokomotiv Yaroslavl KHL
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(I'm using this again when we do the vote thingy btw)
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I'm with Magua. I think I lean Berggren in this scenario. Landing Berggren at 19 would be a dream.
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And Imagine our pick Is up at 19...kaut and berggren r still on the board and next trades back for Samuelsson
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And Imagine our pick Is up at 19...kaut and berggren r still on the board and next trades back for Samuelsson
Depending on who we take at 14 and what we pick up trading down, I'd be less pissed about trading back for Samuelsson/Miller if Kaut was just on the board, especially if we take someone like Kravtsov, with a not dissimilar game. Berggren I've been upfront as saying I think has legit star potential, without the trappings other high skill junior players have (skating issues, poor hockey sense, low motor/soft, inconsistency). All those highlight reel stuff you see above is shift in and shift out; it's not cherry picking plays, trust me, and it usually is.
I don't think Kaut has that, much as I like him. I think he'll be a valuable 2nd line, 25-30 goal, 50-55 point 2-way player at his ceiling; middle 6 floor. I don't want to pass Berggren up whatever the cost. He's exactly what we need in the prospect pool too long-term, although I'm not sure who couldn't use a player with high end skills.
I just don't see anyone out there to justify it to me. Guys like Veleno (who probably is more <14) or Kupari or Wilde have really questionable hockey sense; I don't think Miller or Samuelsson have enough upside, though they're fine; Hayton too, and I'm not in love with his play with the puck; Denisenko seems less a Flyers pick than Berggren anyway and with no higher upside and a lower floor; guys like Lundestrom are too safe and low ceiling to me; I do like Akil Thomas, who was mentioned, but I think he's a little low ceiling too, as he's not a real dynamic skater or player overall who lacks that top gear, and I'm not sold he's a 1st rounder even. I for sure have 7 players ranked above Berggren: Dahlin, Svech, Zadina, Kotkaniemi, Dobson, Hughes, Tkachuk. I'll let that stand. Every draft I get obsessed with a certain player or two: like Keller 2 years ago, Thomas last year, Berggren this year.
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