Speculation: 2017-2018 Trade Rumors Thread

[Dr Johnny Fever]

If only they still had Ennis, then we could add in Steel.

Yeah, I had to find a replacement for Ennis.

 

[Mallard]

As if all the Pacioretty threads weren't bad enough, I don't doubt there are going to be a million Kane to Anaheim threads, especially after the price Dreger gave.

I really hope the Ducks pass on both.

 

[Sojourn]

I really hope the Ducks pass on both.

That’s probably a safe bet.

I have a tough time seeing Murray going after Kane to begin with, because of all the negative attention he’s had. Murray seems like someone who would be against that. Guys like Bieksa, even if they are frustrating as players, ticks the box for him as a good teammate.

Patches just has no future with the team, and the cost would be prohibitive. Murray is willing to go after players who don’t fit into the long-term plans, but he aims lower because they can be acquired cheaply, and the statistical difference usually ends up being smaller than the cost difference. In other words, Murray likes to spend much less on players a level or two below.

So if Murray were going after either of them, it’s probably only because the cost isn’t that bad. A guy like Kesler is the exception, and only because he wanted to hold on to him over the long-term.

 

[Trojans86]

trading a 2nd or 3rd for a 2nd pairing d rental is the only deal I think makes and could have a huge impact on the ducks since bieksa and beauch are so bad, in my opinion. get to the trade deadline in the top 3 in the Pacific and make a move. we have this year and next as our cup window unless getzlaf maintains his level and steel really takes off. I'd be very willing to move a late round 2nd or 3rd for a significant boost to our blue line before we go into a rebuild.

 

[Goose of Reason]

I wonder what it would take to get Jack Johnson from Columbus. UFA at the end of the year and requested a trade.

 

[KelVarnsen]

No interest in JmfJ.... turnover machine and IMO has always been really over rated.

 

[lwvs84]

It might be cheaper to get a 3rd pairing LD that can cover for Beauch/Bieksa and let them rotate. Then move Montour into the top 4. Not sure if any are available though

 

[Trojans86]

It might be cheaper to get a 3rd pairing LD that can cover for Beauch/Bieksa and let them rotate. Then move Montour into the top 4. Not sure if any are available though

I wouldn't mind a good 3rd pairing d at all. someone that is a big step up from bieksa and beauch but a lot cheaper than a quality top 4.

 

[Opak]

Friedman's 31 thoughts. Given Anaheim's history with Swedes, I'd say this could be of interest to us.

8. A number of NHL teams were in Sweden over the last couple of weeks to scout potential free agents. There are four I know of: defencemen Lawrence Pilut (age 22) and Joel Persson (23); winger Michael Lindqvist (23) and centre Par Lindholm (26). Pilut’s father, Larry, was born in Detroit and played in the NCAA before going to Sweden, where he settled. Among the teams who were watching: Boston, Calgary, Chicago, Nashville, Vancouver and the Rangers. Likely more.

 

[Masch78]

Swedish FA, can just remember Viktor Fasth being the only one.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What about a guy like Mark Pysyk... florida is basically out of the hunt for a playoff spot, cap hit is 1.950 for next 2 years. Somewhat long term solution at least as far as this group/core goes. If he doesn't work with fowler maybe he would work with lindholm and we give fowler manson.

 

[DavidBL]

What about a guy like Mark Pysyk... florida is basically out of the hunt for a playoff spot, cap hit is 1.950 for next 2 years. Somewhat long term solution at least as far as this group/core goes. If he doesn't work with fowler maybe he would work with lindholm and we give fowler manson.

I'd actually really like to look at Hjalmarrson. He played a lot with Keith in Chicago. He has another year on his deal so it isn't a rental Because of that deal we'd have an older(older 26 D man signed as the experienced Vet which would eliminate the need for BM to feel the need to resign Bieksa. He has cup experience. His price tag is manageable but maybe Arz can retain some if the deal is nice enough. It gives the Ducks options and really strengthens the blue line IMO. The question would be the price.

 

[duxfan1101]

Would love Hjalmarsson to play with Fowler. Honestly almost anybody other than Bieksa. Here are the +/- stats of our dmen:
Manson +23
Montour +11
Beauchemin +9
Lindholm +8
Fowler -7
Bieksa -10

We just need somebody who can hold down the fort on Fowler's right hand side for 20 minutes a night.

 

[Trojans86]

Would love Hjalmarsson to play with Fowler. Honestly almost anybody other than Bieksa. Here are the +/- stats of our dmen:
Manson +23
Montour +11
Beauchemin +9
Lindholm +8
Fowler -7
Bieksa -10

We just need somebody who can hold down the fort on Fowler's right hand side for 20 minutes a night.

that is pretty startling and I am not gonna blame 50% of that on Fowler when I see a huge difference in play between Fowler and Bieksa. Can't we occasionally throw Montour on that line and bench Bieksa for a shift or two every period?

 

[bumperkisser]

one thing to note about +/- though is fowler is usually the guy out there at the end if we need a goal, so if we get empty netters scored on us then they're -'s as well, which usually doesn't apply to manson and co.

 

[Paul4587]

Would love Hjalmarsson to play with Fowler. Honestly almost anybody other than Bieksa. Here are the +/- stats of our dmen:
Manson +23
Montour +11
Beauchemin +9
Lindholm +8
Fowler -7
Bieksa -10

We just need somebody who can hold down the fort on Fowler's right hand side for 20 minutes a night.

If you look at just even strength +\- (eg not when goalies are pulled or including SHGF or SHGA) it’s even worse for Bieksa:

Manson +21
Lindholm +8
Montour +8
Beauchemin +7
Fowler -9
Bieksa -12

+\- is a horrible stat but with a bit context can be ok. That shows how terrible Bieksa is.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd actually really like to look at Hjalmarrson. He played a lot with Keith in Chicago. He has another year on his deal so it isn't a rental Because of that deal we'd have an older(older 26 D man signed as the experienced Vet which would eliminate the need for BM to feel the need to resign Bieksa. He has cup experience. His price tag is manageable but maybe Arz can retain some if the deal is nice enough. It gives the Ducks options and really strengthens the blue line IMO. The question would be the price.

I said that earlier but idk how we could make the money work. Manson fowler make more next year, kase ritchie and montour are due raises. Even without vermette and bieska were going to struggle with money....retention cluld make it doable but at what cost.

I think i said something around
Ritchie/jones + 2nd + welinski on trade boards and it was a talking point, but i didnt have retention included.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Hey guys. Avs fan here. I'm curious if you guys would consider moving Vermette? You have Getz, Kesler, Henrique down the middle. Plus Wagner and Grant are more than capable of playing centre. Avs cant win a draw to save their lives. Plugging Vermette on their fourth line and giving him some situational starts would be largely beneficial to the team.

I noticed you guys are running Beauchemin pretty much every night too. I know first hand that it can be painful lol. Would Mark Barabario be of any interest? A solid bottom pairing defenseman who can play all situations. He's also on an expiring contract, like Vermette.

I'd Propose something like Barbario + 4th for Vermette. Would this be something you guys would be interested in?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Hey guys. Avs fan here. I'm curious if you guys would consider moving Vermette? You have Getz, Kesler, Henrique down the middle. Plus Wagner and Grant are more than capable of playing centre. Avs cant win a draw to save their lives. Plugging Vermette on their fourth line and giving him some situational starts would be largely beneficial to the team.

I noticed you guys are running Beauchemin pretty much every night too. I know first hand that it can be painful lol. Would Mark Barabario be of any interest? A solid bottom pairing defenseman who can play all situations. He's also on an expiring contract, like Vermette.

I'd Propose something like Barbario + 4th for Vermette. Would this be something you guys would be interested in?

I can't see Vermette being dealt as long as we're hanging around the playoff picture. The faceoff ability is a nice luxury to have around in a depth player for the stretch drive.

I believe there's still 15 games to be played before deadline day, if the Ducks happen to have a terrible stretch I could see Vermette being available , but otherwise he likely stays put.

 

[Duck Off]

Hey guys. Avs fan here. I'm curious if you guys would consider moving Vermette? You have Getz, Kesler, Henrique down the middle. Plus Wagner and Grant are more than capable of playing centre. Avs cant win a draw to save their lives. Plugging Vermette on their fourth line and giving him some situational starts would be largely beneficial to the team.

I noticed you guys are running Beauchemin pretty much every night too. I know first hand that it can be painful lol. Would Mark Barabario be of any interest? A solid bottom pairing defenseman who can play all situations. He's also on an expiring contract, like Vermette.

I'd Propose something like Barbario + 4th for Vermette. Would this be something you guys would be interested in?

The only way Vermette gets dealt is if we fall out of the playoff race. Vermette is nothing more than a 4th line/specialist at this point in his career, but there's definite value in being able to stick him out there for crucial draws at the end of the game or on the PK. Wagner is better on the wing. There is an argument that Grant could take Vermette's role, but I think Carlyle trusts Verm more come playoff time. In short, I think Murray and Carlyle love having Getz/Kesler/Henrique/Vermette down the middle. It gives them an advantage over most teams. I don't see that changing unless we fall out of the playoff race.

As far as the defense goes: Beauchemin has his moments where he struggles but for the most part he's been fine as a bottom pair guy. The issue is our 2nd pair where f***ing Kevin Bieksa currently resides. That's where we need an upgrade.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Thanks guys. That makes sense. My proposal was based on the thought of you guys making the playoffs. That's why I thought Barbario would carry some value. Figured it would be a position of strength traded for a position of need. If you guys look to be on the outside at the deadline and Vermette is traded, a guy like Barbario wouldn't make any sense anyway so you guys would likely ship Vermette for some picks/prospects.

Thanks for your responses.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Eddie, please tell me you didn't drain the RV while you left it parked in front of the Honda Center.

 

[DavidBL]

I said that earlier but idk how we could make the money work. Manson fowler make more next year, kase ritchie and montour are due raises. Even without vermette and bieska were going to struggle with money....retention cluld make it doable but at what cost.

I think i said something around
Ritchie/jones + 2nd + welinski on trade boards and it was a talking point, but i didnt have retention included.

Yeah money would be interesting. That being said bridging Montour is starting to look like it will be much easier. As his role has declined and if we add Hammer he would lose more negotiating power. I think the cap was reported to be going up to at least 78 mill with a high end all the way up to 82 mill. Id try to include Ritchie for Hammer so we wouldn't have to deal with his raise. I made a roster on cap friendly with a 78 mill cap and had about a mill left. So if we got s big increase we could have as much as t mill in cap space. That is assuming Eaves is healthy enough to return.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Maybe a guy like Nick Holden could be a fit? Last year of a fairly cheap deal (1.6M), he's a LHD but I believe the Rangers have used him on both sides including as a partner for McDonagh.

He's not a top 4 guy but perhaps a cheap stop gap #5 and an upgrade over Bieska/Beauch?

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Maybe a guy like Nick Holden could be a fit? Last year of a fairly cheap deal (1.6M), he's a LHD but I believe the Rangers have used him on both sides including as a partner for McDonagh.

He's not a top 4 guy but perhaps a cheap stop gap #5 and an upgrade over Bieska/Beauch?

Not sure he'd even be an upgrade and really not at all worth bringing in. Don't think Holden is the Ranger BM would target.