Speculation: 2017 - 2018 Roster Discussion

[rt]

I'm okay with BPA in the draft even if it's a LHS winger (as long as it's Svechnikov, Zadina, or Tkachuk). LHD is a tough pill to swallow in the 1st round, outside of Dahlin. As incredible as Hughes seems, he's not Dahlin and certainly doesn't justify trading OEL like a Dahlin might(even that's hugely questionable).

 

[RABBIT]

It's only a matter a time before Domi, Duke, and Strome request a trade from this garbage team.

Who do we fire? Someone needs to be held accountable for 7 f***ING losses to start a season.

My vote, give Todd Nelson a call, fire Maclean. Let Nelson and Tocchet fight for HC.

 

[Heldig]

Did the team at least look like they are starting to learn a system? Or is it still mostly keystone cops?

 

[Matias Maccete]

Did the team at least look like they are starting to learn a system? Or is it still mostly keystone cops?

The most frustrating thing, is yes they did. But we just make the occasional nuclear wtf meltdown free goal. If we can clean up even half of those we win this game. We just have to stop handing games away.

 

[Heldig]

Did good Dvorak finally show up?

 

[Matias Maccete]

Did good Dvorak finally show up?

He had more moments, hopefully a sign of things to come.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

The most frustrating thing, is yes they did. But we just make the occasional nuclear wtf meltdown free goal. If we can clean up even half of those we win this game. We just have to stop handing games away.

Agreed, but I still think the aggression needs to be toned down in our end and ramped up in the oppositions.

 

[Mosby]

It's only a matter a time before Domi, Duke, and Strome request a trade from this garbage team.

Who do we fire? Someone needs to be held accountable for 7 ****ING losses to start a season.

My vote, give Todd Nelson a call, fire Maclean. Let Nelson and Tocchet fight for HC.

The Red Wings aren't letting their AHL coach leave midseason.

 

[hbk]

I realize the angst and disappointment but a young team learning how to win is part of process and the situation is aggravated because our 1G is injured. Things will get better. We will progress and this may not be a great season points wise but from an enjoyment factor and a prime pick in a strong draft perspective there are some positives. Don't solely judge this season based on wins and losses. Keller emerging as a young star may be the biggest thing we see this season. The wins will come.

 

[rt]

Did the team at least look like they are starting to learn a system? Or is it still mostly keystone cops?

Yes. With the occasional catastrophic blunder chucked in to spice things up.

 

[rt]

I realize the angst and disappointment but a young team learning how to win is part of process and the situation is aggravated because our 1G is injured. Things will get better. We will progress and this may not be a great season points wise but from an enjoyment factor and a prime pick in a strong draft perspective there are some positives. Don't solely judge this season based on wins and losses. Keller emerging as a young star may be the biggest thing we see this season. The wins will come.

I was just thinking about this. If we continue to grow and improve and are playing respectable by the end of the season, we'll be glad for this terrible start when the draft lottery rolls around.

 

[_Del_]

This year should be all about learning on the job. Finally.

I don't care about W-L right now.


We can make pass-fail grades at the end of the season. Not 8.5% into the new season with a new staff, new system, with a ton of young players getting a taste of the NHL.

 

[Tad Mikowski]

This year should be all about learning on the job. Finally.

I don't care about W-L right now.


We can make pass-fail grades at the end of the season. Not 8.5% into the new season with a new staff, new system, with a ton of young players getting a taste of the NHL.

This all day. Yes it's frustrating. But the knee jerk reactions are kinda crazy right now. Plus we have 3 key pieces injured atm. On top of that, I'm seeing improvement. It'll come together.

 

[BOGO]

I am right there with you guys right now. I just want to see the team compete and improve. There was the run in Vegas through the Boston game where it got pretty rough, but the past two games against Dallas they are starting to come together. If you thought this was a playoff team, then I think your expectations were too high. I came into this season wanting to see the evolution of the team, and the two games against Dallas, the home opener again Vegas and the Ducks game were all enjoyable and show promise. No one needs to be fired yet, just patience is the key.

 

[XX]

Yes. Strome is over valued due to his draft position. He is built to play in a slow, methodical, Tippett style offense, not a pond hockey game which Tocchet uses.

Just the opposite. Strome is one of the few players in the organization capable of playing one touch hockey. He should be with the team.

Did the team at least look like they are starting to learn a system? Or is it still mostly keystone cops?

The wounds were self inflicted this time. They probably should have won. They are at least skating hard and playing hard.

 

[NORiculous]

The Red Wings aren't letting their AHL coach leave midseason.

If he is interested, they won’t prevent this kind of promotion. This happens.

 

[BUX7PHX]

This all day. Yes it's frustrating. But the knee jerk reactions are kinda crazy right now. Plus we have 3 key pieces injured atm. On top of that, I'm seeing improvement. It'll come together.

Yes, there are signs of improvement. However, nobody gave the previous regime the benefit of the doubt when we lost two key pieces in Domi and Richardson last year. For a little longer than four or five games.

But we have looked more comfortable, I can admit that. Losing also makes teams press, so I don't doubt that has been a problem for the youth and even the vets, alike.

 

[SniperHF]

Benefit of the doubt was given (earned even) in 2013 and 2014.

 

[Jakey53]

This year should be all about learning on the job. Finally.

I don't care about W-L right now.


We can make pass-fail grades at the end of the season. Not 8.5% into the new season with a new staff, new system, with a ton of young players getting a taste of the NHL.

In case you didn't realize, this is year three about learning on the job as we continue to rebuild, and last year we had more young players getting a taste of the NHL than this year.

I am right there with you guys right now. I just want to see the team compete and improve. There was the run in Vegas through the Boston game where it got pretty rough, but the past two games against Dallas they are starting to come together. If you thought this was a playoff team, then I think your expectations were too high. I came into this season wanting to see the evolution of the team, and the two games against Dallas, the home opener again Vegas and the Ducks game were all enjoyable and show promise. No one needs to be fired yet, just patience is the key.

Yes, patience is key with a rebuild and I have been stating this for a couple of years, and even then success is not guaranteed.

It's only a matter a time before Domi, Duke, and Strome request a trade from this garbage team.

Who do we fire? Someone needs to be held accountable for 7 ****ING losses to start a season.

My vote, give Todd Nelson a call, fire Maclean. Let Nelson and Tocchet fight for HC.

They are not going to ask for a trade and no one will get fired. What did you expect this year? They should be better than they are and should have more points, but it is starting to look better and we have a long season ahead of us.

 

[PhoPhan]

Tippett and Tocchet really have nothing to do with each other. I felt like much and maybe even most of the criticism of Tippett last year was unfounded, but I was ready for a change (albeit surprised by the move, given the remaining term).

That doesn't give Tocchet a pass, though. I agree this year is still about improvement rather than a final record (and had no expectations of a playoff run), but given the influx of talent this year, I was hoping for an overall improvement compared to last year. Player to player, I'm seeing mostly regression so far. That's worrisome.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Tippett and Tocchet really have nothing to do with each other. I felt like much and maybe even most of the criticism of Tippett last year was unfounded, but I was ready for a change (albeit surprised by the move, given the remaining term).

That doesn't give Tocchet a pass, though. I agree this year is still about improvement rather than a final record (and had no expectations of a playoff run), but given the influx of talent this year, I was hoping for an overall improvement compared to last year. Player to player, I'm seeing mostly regression so far. That's worrisome.

Agreed on several counts. People took the 'Dino Dave' mentality to heart, but they are quick to point to injuries this early when all coaches (not just Tippett) still have to be prepared for that. I just appreciate that posters like yourself are able to see things for what they are and maybe aren't. I don't think it is the end of the world, and Tocchet will get time to work this out. And he will. But it is concerning that we haven't got over that hump yet, and it is rather convenient for some posters to trivialize the issues that Tocchet is experiencing when many of them were also present with Tippett, and those were deemed as excuses. Just very blurred lines on these boards right now...

 

[DesertDawg]

I can't help but think about how much better this team would be with Hanzal and Vrbata, and, IMO, Doan (in a limited role, and for leadership). Now I suspect it means this is the last season in the valley...

 

[hbk]

I can't help but think about how much better this team would be with Hanzal and Vrbata, and, IMO, Doan (in a limited role, and for leadership). Now I suspect it means this is the last season in the valley...

We'd finish out of the playoffs with a lottery pick.

 

[Mosby]

Chychrun is skating today per Dave Vest.

I think that's his 1st skate of the year.

 

[SR]

Raantas still a couple weeks out from what I’m hearing.