LaPlante94
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What we're arguing over is the timing of a potential Phaneuf deal.
The time to trade Dion is not now. That opportunity has already passed this off-season which is the point your missing. Teams have already made their off-season moves so you won't get top value for Phaneuf now!
Almost half the league is within a few million of the cap limit so we'd have to take on a salary dump from one of those teams which would suck. Most of the rest of the teams that could afford him without sending major salary either have an internal budget OR wouldn't want to dedicate cap room to him OR he doesn't fit their rebuilding phase. So out of the few teams that could afford him with us potentially getting a good return, some of those teams might be on his NTC list.
The cap is already due to rise next season which will his make contract more digestible to teams. The # 1 time teams overpay in a trade is at the deadline. We also don't hve anywhere else good to spend extra cap dollars this off-season.
Dion is a 3 time all-star and the only top pairing Dman on what has been a terrible team for the majority of his time in Toronto. Do you really think other GMs are going to say Oh No Dion didn't lead his team to the promised land in the 14-15 season on a team with no legitimate # 1 center, so-so depth and no other top pairing quality Dman?
Beauchemin + Kaberle also played on some terrible contract teams and it sure didn't hurt their trade values. Burns + JayBo also played on some bad teams and it sure didn't hurt their ability to get traded.
Because injuries happen and sometimes players regress.
It also could have do with timing of getting max value for a player.
The team might have faith in Granberg but we wouldn't have got much value for Franson this off-season when teams could have just signed a UFA instead.
Once injuries start kicking in around the league, Nonis might hope a team gets desperate and overpays for Franson who most teams will be able to fit in under the cap because the Leafs would be able to retain up to half his salary on his 1-year deal.
I wonder if a Ryan Johansen for James van Riemsdyk principle trade would be possible.
They are both coming off of similar breakout years. JVR is signed dirt cheap for a very long time, is really getting better by leaps and bounds every year in Toronto. Johansen is a few years younger and more importantly plays center, but is looking for big money right away.
Any interest in Kevin Hayes?
I proposed JVR + Kadri for Johansen + Jenner on the mainboard. Sounded like one fan thought it would be a fair deal.
We pick up our top line center and a solid second line center for the future and give up a 1st line winger and a 1B/2A center.
Both deals deal from a position of strength.
That may solve our centre problem but it opens up a big hole on wing. Face it, the Leafs are going to have to draft and develop our top centre like all successful teams do. Otherwise you are just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Maybe Nylander is the answer in a couple of years or it may be whoever we draft in 2015 but there is no quick fix.
Columbus has a lot of C depth.
Johansen
Jenner
Wennberg
Milano
Would love one of the 1st 3.
If there is any young C i would try and target its Ryan Strome.. He has yet to breakout and Isles have Cizikas Grabo and Nielsen...
If you think Strome is a bust, check out his AHL numbers, superior to what Kadri was able to do at that level.
If there is any young C i would try and target its Ryan Strome.. He has yet to breakout and Isles have Cizikas Grabo and Nielsen...
If you think Strome is a bust, check out his AHL numbers, superior to what Kadri was able to do at that level.
I think I'd rather give up less and take a shot at Anders Lee. I've wanted the Leafs to try and trade for him for years now because I used to watch quite a bit of Notre Dame games when he was there.
If there is any young C i would try and target its Ryan Strome.. He has yet to breakout and Isles have Cizikas Grabo and Nielsen...
If you think Strome is a bust, check out his AHL numbers, superior to what Kadri was able to do at that level.
Lee is no where near Stromes calibre....
Not even a comparison im looking for young C's around the league who could give us more depth and skill down the middle.
Lee is no where near Stromes calibre....
Not even a comparison im looking for young C's around the league who could give us more depth and skill down the middle.
Lee is no where near Stromes calibre....
Not even a comparison im looking for young C's around the league who could give us more depth and skill down the middle.
We have Kadri. Him and Strome almost play the same way and have the same skillset basically. Lee is a more complete player who has one hell of a shot and can skate very good for his size.
Since he's lower on the depth chart because of the C depth they have now, I just think Lee would be a lot cheaper and will be a top 6 player when given the chance.
I agree with what you are saying as I am a fan of Lee as well and he shouldn't cost as much as Stome, but are you talking to centre the Leafs? I thought NYI has him as a winger.