GDT: 2/27/24 - 7:00PM EDT - Tampa Bay @ Philadelphia

[RussianGuyovich]

If he's still injured why are we riding him to death?

You can't have it both ways.

He was injured in the playoffs and started every game. Is this for sure the stance you want to debate regarding cooper? Coop Also let jeannot play and the dude got hurt in his like second shift. We trot out injured players all the time. It’s like he gets off on it.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I think we can all agree that in a non-cap world a guy like Vinik would overpay handsomely to keep Stammer around as a third line and PP specialist because of all that he had meant to the franchise. But it is a cap world and it is now an unreasonable expectation that a player will play his entire career with one franchise. Sentimentality has no place in a hard cap environment.

Problem is that it’s much harder to replace production immediately in the NHL whereas it’s easy in the NFL. Belichick could let anyone go and still win SBs because new cheaper players and value signings came in every year.

You let someone go in the NHL or can’t re-sign them due to cap reasons, you’re usually f***ed. Just ask San Jose or what we’re dealing with rn

 

[Bartleby]

You can buy small. Not every move needs to be another blockbuster. If we're trying to sneak into the playoffs, this team does need a little help to get there.

Some of these small deals at last year's deadline were guys like Oskar Sundqvist, Curtis Lazar, and Gustav Nyquist going for a mid round pick.

Even small buys cost assets and there is no point in investing anything at all if you don't have reliable goaltending. And we don't.

 

[Bozo Nicholson]

He was injured in the playoffs and started every game. Is this for sure the stance you want to debate regarding cooper? Coop Also let jeannot play and the dude got hurt in his like second shift. We trot out injured players all the time. It’s like he gets off on it.

Cooper unveils Cernak: “Behold my masterpiece.” *maniacal cackling

 

[Bartleby]

Problem is that it’s much harder to replace production immediately in the NHL whereas it’s easy in the NFL. Belichick could let anyone go and still win SBs because new cheaper players and value signings came in every year.

You let someone go in the NHL or can’t re-sign them due to cap reasons, you’re usually f***ed. Just ask San Jose or what we’re dealing with rn

Respectfully, I'm not sure I see your point. Stammer is going to be a UFA and we can't afford him at the price he wants. The ball is in his court. If he wants to stay here and that has value to him, then he's going to have to price that into his thinking. As far as replacing his production is concerned, are you willing to go 6M for several years for what he contributes, which will be declining further through those years?

 

[DFC]

Respectfully, I'm not sure I see your point. Stammer is going to be a UFA and we can't afford him at the price he wants. The ball is in his court. If he wants to stay here and that has value to him, then he's going to have to price that into his thinking. As far as replacing his production is concerned, are you willing to go 6M for several years for what he contributes, which will be declining further through those years?

To be fair, I don't think we know what price he wants. Until the two sides meet, it's all just guesswork. That being said, I do think it's fair to assume they are going to be quite far apart. In order for Stamkos to make a deal that really helps the team, we are probably talking down in the 5-6m range. And that's asking him to leave quite a bit of money on the table in what will likely be his last significant contract.

 

[Bartleby]

In other news, MacKinnon may be on his way to a big night with 2pts midway through the second.

 

[JTBF81]

Tampa isn't selling, let's be real here. They aren't entering a rebuild, and valuable players such as Cirelli, Serg, Cernak, Vasy etc aren't being shopped. It's one less than expected season in terms of points, but they are still in position to make the playoffs, and with some additions that can help not just this season but beyond, they will be fine. There's still a chance for this season, so adding is still the right play, especially for players that either have term, or are ufa's/rfa's that can be re-signed. Any future picks that may be traded from next year or the year after don't do anything to help this core win until, at best, the very end of it. While planning for the future is all well and good, there is far too much talent on the team to not continue to push for Cups with them. Address the depth on the F group and on the blueline(and hopefully, JBB does a little better this tdl and offseason with trades and signings than last year), but selling is a very poor decision.

 

[Stelio Kontos]

It’s clearly 20/20 hindsight taliking, but losing killorn for nothing hurt us. We need assets, and if we aren’t likely to sign stamkos this summer ( like >85% likely) then you have to get what you can for him at the TDL.

Losing Killorn, Maroon, Perry for nothing + trading for Jeannot & signing Sheary.

 

[Bartleby]

Tampa isn't selling, let's be real here. They aren't entering a rebuild, and valuable players such as Cirelli, Serg, Cernak, Vasy etc aren't being shopped. It's one less than expected season in terms of points, but they are still in position to make the playoffs, and with some additions that can help not just this season but beyond, they will be fine. There's still a chance for this season, so adding is still the right play, especially for players that either have term, or are ufa's/rfa's that can be re-signed. Any future picks that may be traded from next year or the year after don't do anything to help this core win until, at best, the very end of it. While planning for the future is all well and good, there is far too much talent on the team to not continue to push for Cups with them. Address the depth on the F group and on the blueline(and hopefully, JBB does a little better this tdl and offseason with trades and signings than last year), but selling is a very poor decision.

I have just one question for you: What's it like living in Wonderland?

 

[DFC]

Tampa isn't selling, let's be real here. They aren't entering a rebuild, and valuable players such as Cirelli, Serg, Cernak, Vasy etc aren't being shopped. It's one less than expected season in terms of points, but they are still in position to make the playoffs, and with some additions that can help not just this season but beyond, they will be fine. There's still a chance for this season, so adding is still the right play, especially for players that either have term, or are ufa's/rfa's that can be re-signed. Any future picks that may be traded from next year or the year after don't do anything to help this core win until, at best, the very end of it. While planning for the future is all well and good, there is far too much talent on the team to not continue to push for Cups with them. Address the depth on the F group and on the blueline(and hopefully, JBB does a little better this tdl and offseason with trades and signings than last year), but selling is a very poor decision.

Depends on the asset in question. I don't see how we don't punt the rest of the season and just kind of hope for the best. Nobody's talking about a rebuild. But if we can make a move that helps us starting next year, we have to look into it. The current team can't win, especially with Vasy's level of play. That's impossible to overcome.

 

[Master P]

Stars should wave Ottinger and sell at the deadline.

 

[T REX]

I'll reiterate my earlier opinion.

Do what we can to plan for one more big run next year.

We have SERGE's LTIR to weaponize. If we don't then JBB is worthless.

We are not winning a cup this yr. No reason to be buyers. Zero.

True managers have short and long term plans. They should align somewhat.

Maximize at the TDL. Shoot for next year. Give Vasy some rest. We aren't winning without him.

This is our reset yr. That's ok. Rest Vasy. Get some help. Serge will be back.

Stammer should bring us some decent help. He's worthless 5v5

 

[JTBF81]

I have just one question for you: What's it like living in Wonderland?

Ah, wouldn't expect anything less from a prominent member of the sky is falling club.

 

[JTBF81]

Depends on the asset in question. I don't see how we don't punt the rest of the season and just kind of hope for the best. Nobody's talking about a rebuild. But if we can make a move that helps us starting next year, we have to look into it. The current team can't win, especially with Vasy's level of play. That's impossible to overcome.

Moving any of the 8-10 core pieces not named Stamkos,.which plenty have suggested on here, is basically signaling a rebuild imo. There are plenty of options to add that can be more than rentals moving ahead. Of course it hasn't been a great year for Vasy and the defense, but I don't see either as a long term issue. I wouldn't pay top assets for a pure rental, but lesser picks and/or prospects for a depth.rental is fine. The better futures should be used for players that are already under contract through at least next year or are players that JBB is confident will be extended.

 

[Rschmitz]

We need our 9.5 AAV goalie to be better, simple as that.

 

[Antiramie]

Wasn't the plan for this season to just role with what we have?

We all knew it was gonna be a rough year with no assests to trade and a depleted roster.

So our goalie who had back surgery is having a down year in front of the worst roster we've had in years.

Seems like things are going about as well as you'd expect.

Yea before the season I thought it would come down to how Vasy bounced back from surgery and how much the newer guys could contribute. All of the above have mostly been a let down.

Jeannot can't stay healthy
Sheary has been a huge bust
Eyssimont started off hot and has been ice cold since.
Watson sucks
De Haan sucks

And then on top of that you have Sergachev getting hurt. Cernak is having trouble staying healthy, and when he's not hurt he's been suspect. Perbix hasn't progressed. Stamkos is a black hole 5v5.

I honestly don't know who you could sell though. I don't think they'll move Stammer. I also don't think they're going to go from protecting Cirelli in the expansion draft to moving him within that time frame. I think they have too much invested in Jeannot to get rid of him.

I think the most likely candidate would be Cernak, but I don't know if his value is that high considering his contract.

I think JBB just rides out the season knowing we might miss the playoffs or be a 1st round exit but is hoping the team/Vasy can get hot and overperform come playoff time. I just don't think the latter will happen.

 

[Master P]

Yea before the season I thought it would come down to how Vasy bounced back from surgery and how much the newer guys could contribute. All of the above have mostly been a let down.

Jeannot can't stay healthy
Sheary has been a huge bust
Eyssimont started off hot and has been ice cold since.
Watson sucks
De Haan sucks

And then on top of that you have Sergachev getting hurt. Cernak is having trouble staying healthy, and when he's not hurt he's been suspect. Perbix hasn't progressed. Stamkos is a black hole 5v5.

I honestly don't know who you could sell though. I don't think they'll move Stammer. I also don't think they're going to go from protecting Cirelli in the expansion draft to moving him in that time frame. I think they have too much invested in Jeannot to get rid of him.

I think the most likely candidate would be Cernak, but I don't know if his value is that high considering his contract.

I think JBB just rides out the season knowing we might miss the playoffs or be a 1st round exit but is hoping the team/Vasy can get hot and overperform come playoff time. I just don't think the latter will happen.

I think you're spot on but nobody envisioned Serge getting hurt like he did.

If we have a chance to make a trade for someone like Hanifin for say Cirelli + Perbix or something like that. I think you do it.

If Serge was healthy then yeah stand pat, but there is an opportunity here that I think could benefit the team going ahead.

I say Cirelli because I think he was given that contract with the hope that he would step up and contribute more offensivley, which hasn't happened. I love

him as a player but if we could somehow trade that contract while gaining a player like Hanifin, how do you not do that?


Of course this is all just speculation. If it turns out we were never in the running for him I wouldn't be surprised either.

 

[Fan from AK]

Yea before the season I thought it would come down to how Vasy bounced back from surgery and how much the newer guys could contribute. All of the above have mostly been a let down.

Jeannot can't stay healthy
Sheary has been a huge bust
Eyssimont started off hot and has been ice cold since.
Watson sucks
De Haan sucks

And then on top of that you have Sergachev getting hurt. Cernak is having trouble staying healthy, and when he's not hurt he's been suspect. Perbix hasn't progressed. Stamkos is a black hole 5v5.

I honestly don't know who you could sell though. I don't think they'll move Stammer. I also don't think they're going to go from protecting Cirelli in thansion draft to moving him within that time frame. I think they have too much invested in Jeannot to get rid of him.

I think the most likely candidate would be Cernak, but I don't know if his value is that high considering his contract.

I think JBB just rides out the season knowing we might miss the playoffs or be a 1st round exit but is hoping the team/Vasy can get hot and overperform come playoff time. I just don't think the latter will happen.

None of that matters if they fail to make the playoffs. 8th seed facing the Panthers will not be a very good result with the mess that this team is in. Sugarcaot everything if you want.

 

[Todd1a]

Good lord Stamkos is a -25 rating and hagel has more point then Stamkos and hagel doesn’t play on our top power play. Offering Stamkos 5 million per season would be generous

 

[Pierre Larouche]

Problem is that it’s much harder to replace production immediately in the NHL whereas it’s easy in the NFL. Belichick could let anyone go and still win SBs because new cheaper players and value signings came in every year.

You let someone go in the NHL or can’t re-sign them due to cap reasons, you’re usually f***ed. Just ask San Jose or what we’re dealing with rn

Belichik won because he had Brady.

 

[Bozo Nicholson]

Belichik won because he had Brady.

Lol true. Good luck getting ole Billy to admit it though.

 

[Pierre Larouche]

We don't have the assets for that sort of thing anyway, but if theres a decent trade worth making then yeah I think you make it.

Preferably something that ships out sheary.

add Jeannot please.

 

[DFC]

Moving any of the 8-10 core pieces not named Stamkos,.which plenty have suggested on here, is basically signaling a rebuild imo. There are plenty of options to add that can be more than rentals moving ahead. Of course it hasn't been a great year for Vasy and the defense, but I don't see either as a long term issue. I wouldn't pay top assets for a pure rental, but lesser picks and/or prospects for a depth.rental is fine. The better futures should be used for players that are already under contract through at least next year or are players that JBB is confident will be extended.

We literally do not have top assets right now. We have middling assets at best.

I agree there's no way we are going to move roster players for futures. At least not the most often mentioned guys (Cirelli, Sergachev). I don't think it's impossible that one of them could move in the off-season, with cap wiggle room around the league, in a hockey deal. But not for futures. While I think we will more less punt on the rest of this season (I don't think we will add anything), I think over all the plan is still to try to squeeze whatever else we can from this core.

 

[LightningStrikes]

It’s time to play JJ a bit more again maybe. Cooper needs to stop treating Vasi like an entitled divorce child. Play like shit? Sit one out or two and work out your demons.