GDT: #19 There Will Be Blood: Devils @ Oilers, 9 PM, MSG+2

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with the exception of palmieri the team was so poor it made the loss to calgary feel like a good effort by comparison...which of course it was anything but

can't say I expect any good outcome on the last leg of this road trip and it wouldn't surprise me if they roll over for a stretch...like the next two which should otherwise be winnable games

then moving on...they looked bad at home vs jackets a few weeks ago and the thought of back to back matches vs mtl is cringeworthy

We seem to always lose to the BLOW Jackets.

Another one of several factors that I truly believe cost us a playoff spot in 13-14. If we win our season series against them, we take their spot in the playoffs and they're sitting in Columbus with ONE playoff berth in like 14 years and ZERO playoff wins. Instead of being pumped as a Stanley Cup Finalist before this year started, they're still looking for their franchises first ever playoff win and second every playoff berth.

We got straight up bent over in the 13-14 season series against that team. There was also one of the ugliest DeBoer era losses ever. Blown multi goal lead, Pete being afraid of making a goalie change, then Tostitos out in the last minute of a tie game.
 

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They weren't winning this game if they had Lundqvist in net. They weren't mentally in the game and the coaching was terribad tonight. WTF was the D coverage and the 5-3 PP was a disaster.

Kinkaid needs starts. You can't run Cory into the ground, he's not Marty. And even so, Marty needed rest. If you leave him on the bench, he's going to be rusty.

The panicking on this board is outta control. This wasn't a playoff team and the wheels may be coming off. It was fun for a while. We know half these guys belong on either a 3rd line or in the AHL.

Let's see what they're made of when they get on the next homestand.

We need better than .884 goaltending from our other goaltender too, the team needs to play better team defense when he's in too. He's not as good as Cory, and sometimes they play like he's Hasek and they can make all these mistakes.

Entire team took the night off though. The 4th line looked good in Calgary at least. If Josefson knew how to score during games once in a while, maybe he gets a goal. Most of the team looks awful since Saturday night.
 

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This team needs Elias back in order to have some semblance of a 3rd line. I would say at least get Ruutu back for some semblance of a 4th line. O'Neill and Gionta are complete junk.
 

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Ruutu will be more likely riding pine than Gionta.

Honestly at this point I'd be fine with Kennedy replacing O'Neill and Elias replacing Tlusty. They really need to do something about Josefson on the third line too, it's been a quarter of the season enough is enough - just put him on the fourth line where he belongs and off the PP. Even if you have to make Kennedy the third-line center HE can't be worse than Josefson offensively.
 

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What exactly did Hynes do wrong tonight? Am I missing something?

The worst thing to me was starting Kinkaid after a loss to Calgary, I guess he thought Kinkaid might be better than the .884 goaltender he's been this season. It's clear we can't keep the score respectable with Kinkaid if we play the kind of game we played tonight.

And how long before we petition the league to do away with a two man advantage when our opponent takes another penalty while we're already on a power play? We've gotta be like 1 for 4 on two man advantages this year so far.

Did we score 5 on 3 against Ottawa? Or was that shortly after one of the penalties expired?

Yes, Zajac scored. Tootoo then scored on the 5v4. We let up a short handed goal on the original 5v4 before the 5v3 though. Weird sequence.
 

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This team needs Elias back in order to have some semblance of a 3rd line. I would say at least get Ruutu back for some semblance of a 4th line. O'Neill and Gionta are complete junk.

I'm getting aroused over a Kennedy signing at this point.

At least he's a 3rd liner, don't ever wanna hear about Josefson being a third liner again or comparing him to Pandolfo and how Jay played on our 3rd line and wasn't even a 30 point player.

Jay Pandolfo always had over 20 points in a full season. 10 points in 61 games in 09-10 for Pandolfo is lower than what Josefson is on pace for, as our the last few seasons Pandolfo spent in the league with the Islanders and Bruins.

But Pandolfo was washed up and finished at that time. Josefson is on pace for 17 points this year, none at even strength. Tootoo is on pace for a whopping 13 points this season, none at even strength. Playing on the PP and 3rd line. Kalinin is on pace for 18 points, playing mostly in the top 9 so far.

These are not acceptable point totals for a 3rd liner, they're really good point totals for 4th liners.

Tlusty on pace for FIFTEEN points playing in the top 6 on most nights so far! Has 11 points in his last 40 games, including last year's playoffs. 2 goals in that span.

Defensive defenseman David Schlemko has more goals than Josefson and Tlusty, and as many as Tootoo and Kalinin.
 

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I'm getting aroused over a Kennedy signing at this point.

At least he's a 3rd liner, don't ever wanna hear about Josefson being a third liner again or comparing him to Pandolfo and how Jay played on our 3rd line and wasn't even a 30 point player.

Jay Pandolfo always had over 20 points in a full season. 10 points in 61 games in 09-10 for Pandolfo is lower than what Josefson is on pace for, as our the last few seasons Pandolfo spent in the league with the Islanders and Bruins.

But Pandolfo was washed up and finished at that time. Josefson is on pace for 17 points this year, none at even strength. Tootoo is on pace for a whopping 13 points this season, none at even strength. Playing on the PP and 3rd line. Kalinin is on pace for 18 points, playing mostly in the top 9 so far.

These are not acceptable point totals for a 3rd liner, they're really good point totals for 4th liners.

Pandolfo wasn't getting POWER PLAY time either :laugh:

People flip their **** nightly over Gionta playing 12 minutes, even HE'S better offensively than Josefson, that's how bad Josefson is (of course now we'll hear about how his three PP assists are so great and he's on pace for almost twenty points).
 
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Ruutu will be more likely riding pine than Gionta.

Honestly at this point I'd be fine with Kennedy replacing O'Neill and Elias replacing Tlusty. They really need to do something about Josefson on the third line too, it's been a quarter of the season enough is enough - just put him on the fourth line where he belongs and off the PP. Even if you have to make Kennedy the third-line center HE can't be worse than Josefson offensively.

The excuses have run out for Josefson. Needed to bury one of these chances in the last couple games. Had some against Pittsburgh, had one tonight.

Next game will be his 200th in the league. He's a 4th liner at best.

He's a shootout specialist, so he's not completely useless like some make him out to be. An excellent PKer too. He's got no business on a third line though. 16-17 points isn't enough to warrant anything more than a 4th line spot on a regular basis.

This staff has given him more of a chance than he's even deserved. Don't care where it was that he went wrong. Conte, Pete, injuries, large enough sample size to say he's a 4th liner.
 

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Pandolfo wasn't getting POWER PLAY time either :laugh:

People flip their **** nightly over Gionta playing 12 minutes, even HE'S better offensively than Josefson, that's how bad Josefson is (of course now we'll hear about how his four PP assists are so great and he's on pace for almost twenty power play points).

He hasn't hurt the power play, but I think Elias is better off in that spot when he gets back.

Kennedy might even be better off there.

I don't hate Josefson and think he should be in the lineup as long as he's healthy, he shouldn't be on anything higher than a 4th line if we're healthy.
 

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He hasn't hurt the power play, but I think Elias is better off in that spot when he gets back.

Kennedy might even be better off there.

I don't hate Josefson and think he should be in the lineup as long as he's healthy, he shouldn't be on anything higher than a 4th line if we're healthy.

The three minutes of PP time stood out like a sore thumb reading the boxscore. But I get this staff definitely has 'different' ideas about how to run a PP (exhibit A: Schlemko on the point) and to be honest the PP's actually done well statistically to this point so it's hard to criticize it.
 

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Agree with everyone. This team needs a true 3rd Line Revamp.

Cammy - Henrique - Stempniak
Tlusty - Zajac - Palmeiri
Kalinin - Elias - Blandisi/Boucher
Farnham - Josefson - Tootoo

Tlusty sucks by the way. Ugh
 

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Tlusty's the new Brunner who was the new Tedenby...someone the fans go gaga over because he's got flair but they never wind up doing **** to justify it. To the staff's credit at least they didn't sign Tlusty for big money or multiple years.
 

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40 games of HORRID production from Tlusty.

If he doesn't improve by seasons end, it's KHL or bust for him.

Of course some team will give him a contract on a PTO, then he'll score against us and leave for personal reasons 2 games later.
 

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Freaking Yanis Danni would have been a better option than Kinkaid tonight. He was lights out in Albany and got a 30 save shutout
 

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The entire bottom 6 is a dumpster fire offensively. The fact that Bobby Farnham is 6th on the team in goals is probably not a recipe for long term success.
 

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I think the Tlusty signing was needed though, or at least it did look good.

No regrets on the signing. If not for that signing, we might have Paul ''I'm two years younger than Tyler Kennedy but we need a younger guy like me playing instead'' Thompson playing instead.

He'd probably have 1-2 points, as opposed to Tlusty's current 3 points.

Haha that reminds me of a funny post in the comments section on TG's blog. About how we should be calling up a younger guy like Sislo, Thompson or Blandisi, instead of signing Tyler Kennedy.

Sislo and Thompson are 2 years younger than Kennedy, They would be the oldest rookies in the league, and might compete for the ''NHL worst rookie of the year'' competition along with O'Neill.

All 3 are probably too old to compete for that anyway.
 

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The entire bottom 6 is a dumpster fire offensively. The fact that Bobby Farnham is 6th on the team in goals is probably not a recipe for long term success.

He's already done more than Josefson (shootout aside), Tlusty, O'Neill and Matteau.

I realize he's like this year's Cam Janssen from 2 years ago, an absurd shooting percentage on the season of like 30%+.

But at least it's better than 0 goals on however many shots that Josefson or O'Neill have. And better than a roach like Sislo, who has played in as many games and has ZERO goals in the NHL.
 

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Can we call up Boucher already for Tlusty. I know Boucher was pretty invisible, but so is Tlusty. At least we can try to develop Boucher into an NHL player.
 

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The three minutes of PP time stood out like a sore thumb reading the boxscore. But I get this staff definitely has 'different' ideas about how to run a PP (exhibit A: Schlemko on the point) and to be honest the PP's actually done well statistically to this point so it's hard to criticize it.

We have a Power play goal in like 4 games in a row now or something like that and percentage wise we are still top 10 in the league.

So something is working, but maybe it's because there is more talent then past couple of years and not the set up. Then again we have scored some pretty tic-tac-toe goals on it this year and they have involved Schlemko. Not saying we can't tweek it to make it better and obviously the lack of goals on the 5 on 3 is a complete failure.

We lost this game 5 on 5 though. Didn't have their legs again. Second game in a row now. Offensively the play through the neutral zone was bad from the start. Just poor passing between zones. Broken plays leading to dump and chases and little to or no real scoring chances or some time.

Last game the ice played more of w factor but we still weren't breaking out crisply like we did before the road trip.

The defensive zone coverage was weird having so much overcommitment to one side. Hall and Drastali are to fast and skilled to be able to have the one defender be able to cut across in time and that's a lot of defensive work to ask a forward to do.

Maybe it works on most other teams but those two took advantage of it multiple times tonight. Might need to adjust if this is happening a lot or if this was a tonight thing.

Kinky was not solid again. I mean yes there were coverage issues but his positioning was questionable multiple times tonight and he was fighting it a bit. I feel safe in saying Cory stops one or two of the goals tonight on sound positioning alone (and his defense would of owed him drinks). He had some puck handling mistakes too that easily could of ended up in the net. Right now I don't feel confident in him but we have Cory so it's not that big a deal.

I honestly never want to hear Kinky over Cory stuff again. Kinky is solid usually but Cory is just light years better. Some are just way to quick to yell softy or try and take him down for I don't know what reason.

Camm was the worst on the ice tonight. Maybe he was still sick or something because he was out to lunch. Worst game of the year by him. Like uncharistically bad.

I have no idea what to do with JJ. He does almost everything else right but damn he can't score. Tlusty and Tootoo aren't really helping, but he has to put some points up.

Demoting him isn't the answer though because he plays a solid game in almost every other aspect. He is good defensively. He is a good PKer. Putting someone like Kennedy at 3C over him would be a gigantic mistake since Kennedy isn't really even a center. That's knee jerk crap. Down the line we have more centers that will come up and push JJ into a 4C role but right now we don't have anyone who can do that on the main roster. I don't think Elias should play center. Not sure he has enough in the tank.

We do need some extra scoring but we can't be looking to our 4th line to be winning us games. Need more from the top 6 and we really need more from the blue line. Only guy getting pucks on net needs to be Schlemko. Severson has some apples but the rest need to get more pucks on net.

Unmm positives? Penalty kill looks good. Light years better then the beginning of the year.

Final point. The refs were putrid tonight. Awful ticky tack calls against and no call on Lars getting boarded was horse ****. We had PP time to win this game so it's not about that really. It's about Lars could of got seriously hurt there and there was no call. That is what is annoying.
 

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Why mess with Boosh's development when Patty is about to come back?

I wanted him to get another shot too, but it's probably not needed if we're getting Elias and Kennedy in the lineup.

I'd like to maybe get him in before the season ends though, since he's another that HAS to be up or go through waivers next season.

I'm not convinced he's an NHL player or ever will be one, but it's nice to see he's at least having a bounce back year in Albany.
 
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