Zaitsev is in a complicated child custody mess in Russia

[Frank Drebin]

I thought you needed documents from both parents to fly with children out of the country, to prevent things like this?

 

[NyQuil]

I think it's too early to judge in a lot of ways, but how Zaitsev went about this is (assuming it is, in fact, him) just clearly wrong imo. If the children were in direct and immediate danger, you get the authorities involved. If she was disobeying a court order, same thing. I think the background context goes a long way in determining exactly how bad his actions were, but at the very least I think he acted improperly and probably illegally.

We take our basic confidence in the authorities for granted in our part of the world.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Russia changed the law in 2017 ruling it's ok to beat women "where it does not cause "substantial bodily harm" (such as broken bones or a concussion)[26] and does not happen more than once a year and the cops stopped investigating wife beaters.

The Chilling Inaction on Domestic Violence in Russia is Endangering Women’s Lives

"The court recognized the Russian authorities’ overall “reluctance to acknowledge the seriousness and extent of the problem of domestic violence in Russia and its discriminatory effect on women.” In other words, the court concluded that domestic violence and the official inaction the applicant faced was not an isolated incident, but rather the result of a systemic, ongoing failure on part of the Russian authorities to properly address domestic violence."

You're a little bit behind https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/06/russia-faces-domestic-violence-a68488

 

[saintunspecified]

Either way, Zaitsev seems to have acted improperly but I would say it pales in comparison (to varying degrees based on what actually happened) to what Voynov did.

I don't really know how to compare kidnapping to domestic violence, but I don't think you do either. Both seem pretty friggin' serious to me.

 

[Archijerej]

Google translate of the tweet:

Hockey player Nikita Zaitsev attacked his ex-wife. I did not want to pay child support, so I flew to Moscow from Canada and abducted my own children. Where they are now is not clear, the woman went to the police. Zaitsev himself quickly flew back to Canada.


Well that certainly came out of nowhere. Is it legit? Can't see his face from the clip.

This tweet is not a first person narrative. There is no "I did" in the text.

 

[nihlify]

According to Zaitsev's side, all videos supporting their allegations submited to a prosecutor. Yeah, they don't make them public, sorry.

Your post made it seem like that was public known facts. Unless you have some statement from the prosecutor supporting the those claims, your post was misleading at best, even if it was a somewhat rhetorical question.

 

[Mustard]

If and only IF it's true she is abusive to the children, good for him. Gigantic if.

I thought you needed documents from both parents to fly with children out of the country, to prevent things like this?

This is Russia afterall...

 

[Icarium]

You're a little bit behind https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/06/russia-faces-domestic-violence-a68488

What's this link supposed to prove?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

We take our basic confidence in the authorities for granted in our part of the world.

Fair enough, but it seems as though Zaitsev did not even make an attempt to go through those channels until his ex pressed charges. Say what you will about the likelihood of the authorities to bungle the handling of this, but there is 0% chance of them doing the right thing if they are not aware of the alleged criminal activity.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Even if what Zaitsev said was true about the mother, kidnapping the kids to get them away from her is still kidnapping the kids. It being justified doesn't change that he still did that.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I'll wait for all the facts to come out but if it's true that Zaitsev's former wife was endangering their kids' lives then I'm all for Zaitsev rescuing them.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Even if what Zaitsev said was true about the mother, kidnapping the kids to get them away from her is still kidnapping the kids. It being justified doesn't change that he still did that.

Yeah I'm sure the courts would have a lot of sympathy for a father playing the hero if allegations are true about the mother.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Russia changed the law in 2017 ruling it's ok to beat women "where it does not cause "substantial bodily harm" (such as broken bones or a concussion)[26] and does not happen more than once a year and the cops stopped investigating wife beaters.

The Chilling Inaction on Domestic Violence in Russia is Endangering Women’s Lives

"The court recognized the Russian authorities’ overall “reluctance to acknowledge the seriousness and extent of the problem of domestic violence in Russia and its discriminatory effect on women.” In other words, the court concluded that domestic violence and the official inaction the applicant faced was not an isolated incident, but rather the result of a systemic, ongoing failure on part of the Russian authorities to properly address domestic violence."

FAKE NEWS!

 

[NDiesel]

Even if what Zaitsev said was true about the mother, kidnapping the kids to get them away from her is still kidnapping the kids. It being justified doesn't change that he still did that.

Well I'm not going to comment on if the allegations are true or not, but if the legal system isn't doing anything to get children away from an abusive parent, then I have no problem at all with the parent doing the right thing for their defenseless child. It's an argument of morality vs. law, which is tricky in itself.

 

[Jussi]

You're a little bit behind https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/06/russia-faces-domestic-violence-a68488

You should probably read the full article:

Russian lawmakers and activists are now working to pass a law that would re-criminalize domestic abuse — but conservative pushback and legislative hurdles risk stopping progress before it starts.

In October, State Duma lawmakers introduced a draft bill to overturn the 2017 law and re-criminalize first-time domestic abuse. Spearheaded by Pushkina, the law focuses on preventing abuse before it happens. It also contains provisions for women to obtain restraining orders, a first for Russia.
“It will include not only procedures for law enforcement agencies to identify and combat offenses, but also for coordinating projects and monitoring in the field of domestic violence prevention,” Pushkina said.
But when the upper-house Federation Council published the bill’s text last week, its co-authors were surprised by how much its language differed from what they had recommended.
“I am in total horror,” Alyona Popova, a women’s rights advocate and one of the bill’s co-authors, told The Moscow Times after it was published. She criticized the law for stating that its purpose is to ‘save the family’ rather than ‘protect the victim,’ and for aiming to promote reconciliation between parties.

 

[Legion34]

Even if what Zaitsev said was true about the mother, kidnapping the kids to get them away from her is still kidnapping the kids. It being justified doesn't change that he still did that.

well is there an order in place? Who was the woman they were with? Are the canadian children supposed to be in Canada? Lots we don’t know

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Also what’s hilarious about this whole thing is that people are being logical about this and most aren’t jumping to conclusions about a potential kidnapping and international incident.

But Matthews was immediately crucified

You are definitely not on the logical side of this.

When was he exonerated for his actions? Unless he was then your comment makes no sense.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Fixed.

 

[Icarium]

Another weird thing is that Zaitsev's ex is alleging that the children's nanny's ear was torn when the children were taken, yet the police did squat. You would think that if the authorities were so likely to side with the women in such cases such an injury would be pretty damning, especially considering the video. Or it could be a lie but lying about something so easy to check would be really, really stupid. Then again, people do really stupid things all the time, especially in custody battles...

 

[tarheelhockey]

In any way, it's impossible to accuse a spouse in his/her children kidnapping, if there is no a court decision about which side children have to live with. At least in Russia.

People might be surprised to realize that this statement is also true in much of the USA.

Other than possible battery on the wife for holding her back, the act of grabbing the children and running is not illegal in some states unless there’s a court order specifically stating which of the parents has a right to custody at that moment.

 

[Kshahdoo]

You should probably read the full article:

The fact of matter, I've heard about the law, and you don't. Domestic violence is a crime in it, and there are a lot of things in it, that drive conservative public mad. It's just pro-women activists don't like it either and want it to go their way. Like it always happens with many laws.

 

[powerstuck]

I am impressed that the sens are so irrelevant that there are 3 pages on a potential (unproven) international incident involving abducted children.

but Matthews was tarred and feathered after 20 min for an alleged pants on mooning

Matthews case made the news while it was already set for court. This is not the case.

 

[Warden of the North]

Did his children have Russian passports to Canada?

If they were born in Canada they have Canadian citizenship

 

[MXD]

If the video provided by Zaitsev's father is enough proof and he gets custody or something, then he shouldn't face repercussions from the NHL.

To be honest... If everything that could favor Zaitsev here is indeed true, then just having him considered AWOL (which, I think, enables the team to not pay him for the period he was away) would be a perfectly fine response.

.... Was he actually AWOL?

This seems like one of those complicated stories and relying on a google translate account of the events is going to lead to a lot of confusion.

I love you.

Can a mod edit the thread title? It's a bit accusatory based on a google translate account of a story from Russia - this is a developing story and having such an inflammatory thread title isn't going to engender anything approaching quality discussion.

I love you even more.

Yeah, at least remove the "attacks wife" bit. "Zaitsev in complicated child custody mess in Russia" would be more appropriate title.

I love you too.

Of course it is. Voynov threw his wife through a TV and beat her to a pulp.

Zaitsev either acted stupidly for bad reasons, or he acted stupidly for good reasons. If the allegations against his ex are true, he's a bit more vindicated but he still did something dumb and presumably illegal. But if the allegations are false, he did something dumb & presumably illegal while lying about his motives and slandering her.

Either way, Zaitsev seems to have acted improperly but I would say it pales in comparison (to varying degrees based on what actually happened) to what Voynov did.

That said, even though I like Zaitsev as a player, if the allegations are false I would like to see him suspended by the NHL. If the allegations are true, I could still get on board with the Sens or the NHL suspending him for a stretch because his behaviour was stupid and abusive.

Fair enough.

 

[MXD]

Did his children have Russian passports to Canada?

They don't need passports, being Canadian.