Yea, I watched the games and saw kessel mostly with Bonino and Haglin the first win...are you only referring to last year? That is called cherry picking to suit your view. Kind of how you moved away from the make up of Chicago and LA when they won and only concentrated on Pitt last year. Did you watch those games when Chi and LA won? If so, you would realize they did not win by stacking lines.
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Yea, I watched the games and saw kessel mostly with Bonino and Haglin the first win...are you only referring to last year? That is called cherry picking to suit your view. Kind of how you moved away from the make up of Chicago and LA when they won and only concentrated on Pitt last year. Did you watch those games when Chi and LA won? If so, you would realize they did not win by stacking lines.
lol. Yes, mentioned it many times how many playoff points he has, it is ignored because it doesn't suit the agenda,
Your opinion. Not mine. We lost in first round. Coach did not adapt enough or we beat a one line team. Guess what even when that line struggled Hyman did not get moved.
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I don't know how anyone could have witnessed last years playoffs and came to the conclusion that the Leafs would have won if only Hyman were on a different line.
Start a poll and see how many people though Hyman was one of the few players that showed up every single game.
Many of his detractors even posted their positive thoughts on his playoff performance. It takes a strong bias to not acknowledge he was good in that series.
If you want to blame the coach for not adapting, that's a totally different thread and doesn't impact how good Hyman was in the least.
No I brought up cup winners over the past 10 years. I never said playoffs in my post. Phil did play up and down the the line up throughput the year and in playoffs.. You jumped to the playoff argument. Read before you respond. ALL of those teams tweaked there line ups like most coaches do. Thats my point. ZH plays on the top line no matter what. When we are losing slumping and we have he moves players around. Except ZH he never does. If that makes sense to you no need to discuss further.
I read before responding...in case I am mistaken, you have to go through the playoffs to win the Stanley cup.
Maybe don't mention how all the Stanley Cup winners did it if not referring to winning the cup? Just a thought.
Now you're just being sillyI read before responding...in case I am mistaken, you have to go through the playoffs to win the Stanley cup.
Maybe don't mention how all the Stanley Cup winners did it if not referring to winning the cup? Just a thought.
Yeah..
Whenever it is suggested that Hyman be moved off that line we get the usual response about how well it's going now so why change?
Heard it last year about Matthews......couldn't be better..why change anything.
Well, if this grinder plus skill line management had won a stanley cup or two that argument may have some merit.
But ..they have done nothing like that.
Look, all we are saying is to give it a try and see what happens.
Why do people get so defensive when we suggest that?
It's not personal..it's business
So we could have.. Matthews..Nylander..Marner,Tavares. Kapanen, Kadri.
It will never happen but they could have 2 super lines rarely seen in the NHL...that could probably blow the doors off..
And lines 3 and 4 with grinders who work hard and check all night.
Wouldn't that be fun?
Would that win a cup?..
Who knows?
It will never happen but they could have 2 super lines rarely seen in the NHL...that could probably blow the doors off..
And lines 3 and 4 with grinders who work hard and check all night.
Wouldn't that be fun?
Would that win a cup?..
Who knows?
It appears that many on here do not watch many other teams or pay attention to any of the dynamics of their coaching.
Looking at kessels usage and stating that he plays on the 3d line demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of the entire dynamic. Kessel has consistently received the 3rd most usage among the pens forwards.
It still may happen. Why would Babcock do those lines now? early in the season? wait it out, why show all your cards now? fans get too impatient. they need to get to the playoffs, win a series, and THEN we can show our stuff.
LOL. yes, your understanding of 5v5 usage of the game is a teaching moment for sure. Thank you for that. Since I was clearly talking about the playoffs. Kessel was 5th in icetime among forwards in the playoffs last year and 4th the year before with a few players within seconds of each other. So basically, Kessel got a little extra time over his regular linemates late in the games when they needed a goal which pumped up his minutes literally by seconds over his regular linemates. How does that prove your point? Well, actually since he played less in the playoffs in comparison to regular season, it would seem they went to a more balanced attack when it mattered. Playoffs are really what matters. No? Thanks for helping me out.
It appears you are right about one thing...some people are not watching the games or understanding coaching dynamics.
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I don't know whether we would have beat the Bruins by stacking one line but I know they knocked us out by doing that .
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Exactly... 3 skilled players vs. 2 skilled players..Babacock genius. It was on display last night as well. Atkinson PLD and Panarin were killing it against Marner and JT and Hyman.
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Nylander-Matthews-Kapanen
Kadri-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Marleau-Hyman
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I.. I like it.. a lot. Trade for a half decent 3C at the deadline to keep Patty on the wing.. could you imagine!
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Hyman is a great player along the boards battling for loose pucks, retrieving pucks.
Hyman is also one of the worst players in the NHL WITH the puck and off the rush.
As much as he HELPS Tavares/Marner in the o-zone, he kills them off the rush.
He's on that line forever.
He's not a reason the team wins/loses.
If your objective is to maximize the points by Tavares/Marner (or Matthews/Nylander last year), then Hyman is an awful choice for that - but he's a useful role player who's good defensively, works hard, consistently.
Imagine Andreas Johnsson was tried there? I could see some erratic play defensively, at times, BUT if they end up gelling, I could also see the team benefiting hugely. Babs won't ever try it though.
The most we'll see is Kadri on that wing the odd shift once Matthews comes back and Willy decides he'd rather be a Leaf than play in the KHL.
Hyman is also one of the worst players in the NHL WITH the puck and off the rush.
As much as he HELPS Tavares/Marner in the o-zone, he kills them off the rush.
He's on that line forever.
He's not a reason the team wins/loses.
If your objective is to maximize the points by Tavares/Marner (or Matthews/Nylander last year), then Hyman is an awful choice for that - but he's a useful role player who's good defensively, works hard, consistently.
Imagine Andreas Johnsson was tried there? I could see some erratic play defensively, at times, BUT if they end up gelling, I could also see the team benefiting hugely. Babs won't ever try it though.
The most we'll see is Kadri on that wing the odd shift once Matthews comes back and Willy decides he'd rather be a Leaf than play in the KHL.
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I wish he had any semblance of hands. You watch Tavares or Marner come into the zone with the puck and make magic happen. You watch hyman bring the puck in and it dies when it gets to the circles. His playmaking abilities are abysmal.
He’s an absolutely outstanding player in every other category than scoring/playmaking and general hands
He’s an absolutely outstanding player in every other category than scoring/playmaking and general hands
Heres the thing. Its hard for most guys at this level to play the wing well. Then actually try and move to your off wing is very difficult. Some prolific scorers like it because they have the ability for a one T in the offensive zone. Something not even in the realm of Hymans wheel house or skill set. Next is imagine trying to receive or make passes on your back hand. Again a skill that few possess to do it well at this level. MB knows he could never have played ZH ahead of Marner and Nylander for long on the right side so he brilliantly moved him to the left side. He should never be a top six playing on his proper wing never mind trying to do it on his off wing.
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