Yzerman's Mistakes so Far (In Your Own Eyes)

[Frk It]

This is the only place where # of rookies on the team is more important than wins/losses when judging a GM.

 

[norrisnick]

So you're telling me it's not time to panic.

And, no Ricky. It's not so we can "parade Holl out there 15 mins a night"

Holl hasn't played since January 31st, so if Albert Johansson were in Holl's spot on this team it would be bad for his development.

Unless your name is Mo or Walman, you aren't going to cripple the team if you sit out a game or two or 10 for a rookie. It's a bit silly to focus on Holl locking down the press box when Maatta, Ghost, Petry, and admittedly to a lesser degree this season Chiarot are imminently replaceable. Holl is the low hanging fruit, but there are half a dozen guys on team that can be hot-swapped out without missing a beat.

 

[Hammettf2b]

The Holl contract. Hated it then, hated it even more when we traded for Petry.

 

[Ezekial]

Unless your name is Mo or Walman, you aren't going to cripple the team if you sit out a game or two or 10 for a rookie. It's a bit silly to focus on Holl locking down the press box when Maatta, Ghost, Petry, and admittedly to a lesser degree this season Chiarot are imminently replaceable. Holl is the low hanging fruit, but there are half a dozen guys on team that can be hot-swapped out without missing a beat.

Now I see why you guys act the way you do. You think you can just "sit a couple guys and call up a guy from GR for a couple games or 10" - you can't manipulate an NHL roster like that for the f*** of it and NHL GMs don't just call up players on a whim while a team is gelling to "give a kid a look"

You should follow Buffalo if you just want to watch young players cycle through the system.

The Holl contract. Hated it then, hated it even more when we traded for Petry.

There was 0 reason to acquire both players and it's been evident since game 1.

 

[Electric Eric]

I would bet a lot of fake internet dollars

The disrespect to bench bucks... wow.

 

[norrisnick]

This is the only place where # of rookies on the team is more important than wins/losses when judging a GM.

Yzerman's stated goal is to build a long term sustainable cup contender. He has repeatedly stated that playoffs this season, while nice, is not the make it or break it standard for the year. There are players on this roster that aren't going to be part of a future contending Red Wings team. There are players in the A, that are playing very well, that might be. Rotate them in. Show them what meaningful NHL games are like. Maybe they thrive and are ready now. Maybe they realize how much they have to do and go back and work on it. But just standing pat as if our bottom 5 D and bottom 6 forwards are what we're going to ride or die with for the foreseeable future? That's silly.

Now I see why you guys act the way you do. You think you can just "sit a couple guys and call up a guy from GR for a couple games or 10" - you can't manipulate an NHL roster like that for the f*** of it and NHL GMs don't just call up players on a whim while a team is gelling to "give a kid a look"

You should follow Buffalo if you just want to watch young players cycle through the system.

There is literally nothing stopping Yzerman from tossing Husso on retro IR and calling up a kid. None. GMs find a way.

And what about our bottom pairing has given you any indication that they are "gelling"? A team overcoming massive deficiencies on the roster is one thing, but this isn't the '08 wagon trucking along.

 

[Frk It]

Yzerman's stated goal is to build a long term sustainable cup contender. He has repeatedly stated that playoffs this season, while nice, is not the make it or break it standard for the year. There are players on this roster that aren't going to be part of a future contending Red Wings team. There are players in the A, that are playing very well, that might be. Rotate them in. Show them what meaningful NHL games are like. Maybe they thrive and are ready now. Maybe they realize how much they have to do and go back and work on it. But just standing pat as if our bottom 5 D and bottom 6 forwards are what we're going to ride or die with for the foreseeable future? That's silly.

I think it’s very likely we have at least 2 rookies on the team next year and long term wise you are making a big stink about nothing.

Do I wish Edvinsson was on the team right now? Yes. Do I think this is hurting his development long term? Not really, no.

It’s interesting you are preaching long term while showing 0 patience for anything. Berggren and Edvinsson being on the team on opening night next year as opposed to now changes very little looking at things long term.

 

[norrisnick]

I think it’s very likely we have at least 2 rookies on the team next year and long term wise you are making a big stink about nothing.

Do I wish Edvinsson was on the team right now? Yes. Do I think this is hurting his development long term? Not really, no.

It’s interesting you are preaching long term while showing 0 patience for anything. Berggren and Edvinsson being on the team on opening night next year as opposed to now changes very little looking at things long term.

Probably because that was something said this time last year.

 

[Ezekial]

There is literally nothing stopping Yzerman from tossing Husso on retro IR and calling up a kid. None. GMs find a way.

And what about our bottom pairing has given you any indication that they are "gelling"? A team overcoming massive deficiencies on the roster is one thing, but this isn't the '08 wagon trucking along.

Yzerman would tell you what's stopping him is Albert Johansson is playing a big role in Grand Rapids and he likes how his game is progressing right now and the Wings have been playing really well since the new year. But obviously you wouldn't like that answer.

(replace AlJo with Ed if you'd like)

 

[norrisnick]

Yzerman would tell you what's stopping him is Albert Johansson is playing a big role in Grand Rapids and he likes how his game is progressing right now and the Wings have been playing really well since the new year. But obviously you wouldn't like that answer.

(replace AlJo with Ed if you'd like)

Yeah let's wait until either of the kids hits a slump to call them up. That won't confuse them...

 

[ricky0034]

Yeah let's wait until either of the kids hits a slump to call them up. That won't confuse them...

can't call up X they're doing well in the AHL
can't call up X they're struggling in the AHL



can't just go into the season with an unproven player slotted into the roster better sign a couple more free agents

 

[Ezekial]

can't call up X they're doing well in the AHL
can't call up X they're struggling in the AHL



can't just go into the season with an unproven player slotted into the roster better sign a couple more free agents

Yea that plan is failing miserably.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Now I see why you guys act the way you do. You think you can just "sit a couple guys and call up a guy from GR for a couple games or 10" - you can't manipulate an NHL roster like that for the f*** of it and NHL GMs don't just call up players on a whim while a team is gelling to "give a kid a look"

You should follow Buffalo if you just want to watch young players cycle through the system.


There was 0 reason to acquire both players and it's been evident since game 1.

I feel like if Yzerman had gotten Petry first the Holl signing wouldn't have happened.

 

[Henkka]

Biggest Yzerman mistake was to forgot milk from his cup of coffee.

 

[lilidk]

Ottawa and Buffalo are prime examples bringing more rookies in. That had lead to huge success.

We are going Vegas way

 

[ricky0034]

We are going Vegas way

Vegas has 3 rookies with 17+ games played this year

 

[HoweFan]

What mistakes?

 

[Henkka]

what rookies?

Ottawa literally has 1 rookie that has more than 7 games played this year, Buffalo has 2

and all 3 are only playing like 14 minutes a night

It's not about this season and how many rookies they have now.

Those building mistakes were made seasons ago, bringing in kids too many, too young, at same time. They just learned mistakes from themselves (and did not learn at veteran ultimate pro environment), got paid on long contracts, and... those teams are currently going nowhere.

 

[norrisnick]

It's not about this season and how many rookies they have now.

Those building mistakes were made seasons ago, bringing in kids too many, too young, at same time. They just learned mistakes from themselves (and did not learn at veteran ultimate pro environment), got paid on long contracts, and... those teams are currently going nowhere.

It's almost as if there is a middle ground between no rookies and all rookies...

 

[lilidk]

Vegas has 3 rookies with 17+ games played this year

What about Vegas first couple of years?

 

[ricky0034]

It's not about this season and how many rookies they have now.

Those building mistakes were made seasons ago, bringing in kids too many, too young, at same time. They just learned mistakes from themselves (and did not learn at veteran ultimate pro environment), got paid on long contracts, and... those teams are currently going nowhere.

sounds like teams should probably have a rookie or two every year to avoid having to choose between running into a situation like that or dumping prospects without ever giving them a chance then

What about Vegas first couple of years?

you mean when literally half their team was players playing in way bigger roles than they had ever played anywhere else?

and even their very first year they had a rookie Alex Tuch play the whole season, another rookie in Brendan Leipsic play 40+ games, and a Shea Theodore who while technically not a rookie only had 45 games of NHL experience playing 20+ minutes a night all year

 

[FMichael]

As of today, the Wings have the fewest games played by qualifying rookies in the league. Not finding a way to get kids up for a look here or there... that's not a good look for a rebuilding team.

From where I sit the kids in GR have to earn a roster spot in Detroit…You are right though - this team is comprised of ‘Misfit Toys’ aka players from rival teams that were deemed expendable and not many guys whom the Wings drafted.

All that said - at this moment I’d rather be where we are instead of Buffalo or Ottawa.

 

[Henkka]

The Holl contract. Hated it then, hated it even more when we traded for Petry.

Yeah. The non-playing 7th defenceman is the huge mistake. Or the 3rd goalie!

It will mean that there will be great 6 other defencemen!

 

[KasperTheGrittyGhost]

Why do people here hate professional athletes having to earn their job so much? Very odd.

 

[norrisnick]

Why do people here hate professional athletes having to earn their job so much? Very odd.

Because "earn their job" means nothing more or less than hope for injuries on the NHL roster.

Why do people here want players to wish for injuries for their teammates so they get a chance to play?

Short of taking a tire iron to a couple LD in Detroit, what is Edvinsson supposed to do to earn his job?

Ditto Berggren.