If they were to follow your philosophy, what would the 4th line be?
Jensen is just shy 6 foot 1 I believe. That is almost as tall as Ouellet and Jensen actually weighs 196 according to wings site. 196 at 6 foot is pretty solid. With skating abilities to go with that decent profile and the fact that he has a RH shot I think he has a future here for sure. There are many dmen in the league that are smaller and effective still.
As GM, I want to contend NOW. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A BIG DEAL OR WE'RE WAISTING P & Z'S TIME!
Weiss has 15 games to get it in gear, or I'm shopping him as a solid journeyman 2c that just needs a change of scenery. I'd really be looking at San Jose. Has Jumbo Joe gotten to be a bit of a cancer around there? They seem to want him gone. Package weiss with a solid depth center like Andy, and a D prospect for Joe.
That immediately makes us a contender.
That is a horrific trade that would never, ever happen. You don't get a top 10 center for a cap-headache playing like a 4th liner, an extra forward, and a prospect, no matter how good the prospect.
I know, it's like getting Kessler for frikin Bonino or something...oh wait that package did happen...
I know, it's like getting Kessler for frikin Bonino or something...oh wait that package did happen...
Weiss can be that guy, just needs a fresh start...Thornton is getting more toxic by the day, they need to get rid of him.
I don't think Holland is in a position to make a trade, at least for a significant player like a #1C or D. You'd have to give up Nyquist + Mantha and that's not going to happen. Outside of a FA signing, and I'm not sure what the market looks like after this year, the roster you see is the roster they'll have for quite a while.
This board tends to overvalue players and prospectsto be fair, I dont recall the last time ever anyteam gave up the exact equivalent of a nyquist plus mantha
thronton trade=nope
healtey trade=nope
hossa trade= nope
heatley trade=nope
kesler trade=nope
st louis trade= nope
jaybo trade=nope
kessel trade=nope
sharp trade=nope
richards trade=nope
ryan trade=nope
As GM, I want to contend NOW. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A BIG DEAL OR WE'RE WAISTING P & Z'S TIME!
Weiss has 15 games to get it in gear, or I'm shopping him as a solid journeyman 2c that just needs a change of scenery. I'd really be looking at San Jose. Has Jumbo Joe gotten to be a bit of a cancer around there? They seem to want him gone. Package weiss with a solid depth center like Andy, and a D prospect for Joe.
That immediately makes us a contender.
We can keep Z & D together, which, as Babcock is already thinking, allows us to capitalize on Helms niche skill set on the 1st line.
Joe, being one of the most difficult guys to play against, opens up room for Nyquist and takes pressure off Franzen.
That allows our kid line to continue to exploit 3rd D pairings, so they'll contribute in the box score in a big way, and gain tons of nhl confidence.
That is three solid lines of production.
Miller, Glenny, Abby is as solid as any fourth line.
Zetterberg Datsyuk Helm
Franzen Jumbo Nyquist
Tatar Sheahan Jurco
Miller Glenny Abby
Then I'd go to work getting that one Dman that can get the puck out of the zone and up the ice.
Howard Mrazk 56/26
That's as good as we can hope for this year, but that team can contend.
That team sounds pretty awesome
Would never happen though
"General manager Doug Wilson has stated he intends to turn the team over to its younger players and that they may need to take one step back in order to take two steps forward after their latest postseason elimination at the hands of the Kings. Naturally, that's created speculation about star veteran forwards Joe Thornton and Patrick Marleau who are both perceived to be available via trade months after signing three-year contract extensions to stay in San Jose".
" The biggest roadblock to all of this, as CBC's Elliotte Friedman noted in a recent column, is Thornton's full no-movement clause (which doesn't appear to have a loophole but perhaps there's a twist ending to this story yet). He's unlikely to waive it to go to a team where he'd not only have little to no chance of contending for a Cup but face an unparalleled level of media scrutiny. Thornton wants to win and if he's going to be denied the chance to do so in San Jose, Friedman suggested he's likely to only agree to be moved to a definitive contender like Chicago or Los Angeles. Those teams aren't going to give up packages equivalent in value to Kadri and Gardiner. Regardless of how this all shakes out, get ready for a long summer of Joe Thornton trade rumors until the Sharks deal him or conclude they can't."
Weiss isn't garbage. He's quite capable of putting up production numbers and making up for a fairly significant amount of Thorntons production along side Hertl on the 2nd line. **** knows why it's not happening under Babcock, but it's not so let's deal our former Florida Captain , Panther franchise centerman, along with a more than serviceable 3 c, and some sort of agreed upon prospect pkge, for thiers. BOTH NEED A FRESH START.
The OP asks what I'd do if I were GM, I'd get that done.
I know, it's like getting Kessler for frikin Bonino or something...oh wait that package did happen...
to be fair, I dont recall the last time ever anyteam gave up the exact equivalent of a nyquist plus mantha
thronton trade=nope
healtey trade=nope
hossa trade= nope
heatley trade=nope
kesler trade=nope
st louis trade= nope
jaybo trade=nope
kessel trade=nope
sharp trade=nope
richards trade=nope
ryan trade=nope
What a terrible comparison.
Kesler is nowhere near as good as Thornton. Weiss has been nowhere near as good (or healthy, or young, or cheap) as Bonino in the past 2 years. Vancouver also got the 20th overall out of it.
Also, as someone else pointed out, Bonino out-produced Kesler last year. Kesler has a whopping 2 seasons of great production (which would be comparable to Thornton's worst offensive seasons) and the rest have been average or marred by injury. But keep living in this fantasy world you've created for yourself. Maybe you could suggest to Toronto that they could ship off Clarkson, a depth player like Smithson, and a D prospect for Marleau.
A more comparable deal would be getting Thornton and a 3rd for Tatar, a 1st, a 3rd, and Kindl.