Speculation: Your 2015-16 opening night lineup

Pip

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Yeah… he makes it clear that he wants to play with the twins every time they put him with someone else it seems. It's less than ideal for the hockey team.

I mean... that's why he signed here. You can't really blame him for preferring to okay with the Sedins, especially considering how well he does with them. I hope that he'll be open to Horvat and the two will gel nicely. I understand if he doesn't want to be with Sutter :laugh:
 

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I mean... that's why he signed here. You can't really blame him for preferring to okay with the Sedins, especially considering how well he does with them. I hope that he'll be open to Horvat and the two will gel nicely. I understand if he doesn't want to be with Sutter :laugh:

To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of Horvat/Vrbata if Baertschi is playing on that line. That line is too soft for me. Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata is also soft, but the ridiculous amount of world class skill and talent on that line greatly exceeds the lines 'softness.'

Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata was a great thing last season. If the wheel ain't broke?

Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen completely blew up Edmonton two games ago. If the wheel ain't broke?

Brandon Sutter is a defensive specialist that hasn't played wing in 10 years, and hasn't been used as a playmaking NHL center throughout most of his career. If the wheel ain't broke?

I don't understand why WD can't wrap this around his head.
 

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Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata
Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen
Burrows-McCann-Hansen
Gaunce-Sutter-Dorsett

Edler-Tanev
Hutton-Hamhuis
Bartkowski-Weber/Biega


After 9 games if JV/McCann arean't ready, and Higgins recovery:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Baertschi-Horvat-Vrbata
Higgins-Sutter-Hansen
Gaunce-Cracknell-Dorsett
 

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I don't understand why WD can't wrap this around his head.

Is it due to WD's stubborn belief that "veteran presence" and "character guys" will make the team better despite being prove wrong countless times?

When will we know if our young guns are staying?
 

crazyforhockey

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Sedin.Sedin.Vrbata....we know how good
Baertschi.Horvat.Virt..consistency key
Burr.Sutter.Hansen
Prust/crack.McCann.Dorset
Prust/crack

Edler.tanev
Hamhuis.Hutton
Sbisa.Weber
Biega.Corrado

Miller
Markstrom
 

Horse McHindu

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Is it due to WD's stubborn belief that "veteran presence" and "character guys" will make the team better despite being prove wrong countless times?

When will we know if our young guns are staying?

I actually like the Canucks having a strong blend of kids and vets in the line-up, but not if players are being mis-used.

The way WD has treated Sutter during this pre-season and training camp is embarrassing. Talk about completely miscasting a player.

It's ok to experiment with players in different roles, but at a certain point, you have to play them in roles that

1) They'll play in during the regular season
2) They are at their best at

If you want to experiment with Sutter as a playmaking center between Baertschi and Vrbata? Fine. Do it for a game. Sutter with Prust and Dorsett, or Sutter with the twins? Great - do it for 1-2 periods. After that however, you've got to get these guys into their familiar roles. Absolutely zero reason why Sutter shouldn't have been playing with Burrows and Hansen in a shut down role over the last 1-2 games, or even with Gaunce and Hansen.

Even a guy like Vrbata was getting clearly annoyed, due to the fact that they kept bumping him around from center to center. Last season, WD completely screwed Vrbata by not playing him with the twins in the post-season, and instead, had him playing with the mediocre Bonino.

WD just in general is starting to annoy me, and a lot of this anger is stemming from last year's playoffs. The Sedins' flat out dominated their shifts against Calgary, as did Horvat, and yet he kept playing 1-2-3-4. WD better step up this season, or I'm going to be riding his ass.
 

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Sedin.Sedin.Vrbata....we know how good
Baertschi.Horvat.Virt..consistency key
Burr.Sutter.Hansen
Prust/crack.McCann.Dorset
Prust/crack

Edler.tanev
Hamhuis.Hutton
Sbisa.Weber
Biega.Corrado

Miller
Markstrom

Solid line-up, but I'd much rather see Hutton play the left side like he has through training camp/pre-season. If the wheel ain't broke, why fix it? Make Hutton feel as comfortable as possible. If anything, move one of Hamhuis or Edler to the right side (Edler being the far more likely case if they went that route).
 

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If I were being conservative:

Sedin - Sedin - Vrbata
Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen
Burrows - Sutter - Hansen
Higgins (Prust) - McCann - Dorsett

Prust

Edler - Tanev
Hamhuis - Biega
Hutton - Bartkowksi

Weber
Sbisa

Markstrom
Miller

---

But that's a boring and obvious answer. If I'm going wild with fantasy-like experimentation and doing whatever the **** I want

Gaunce - Sedin - Sedin (this sounds ridiculous, but Gaunce's style of play, more than anyone else on the team, perfectly complements their game, IMO-- he thinks the game in a similar way to them, they'd be magical along the boards and opportunistic as ****)
Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen
Burrows - McCann - Vrbata (McCann uses Vrbata better than Horvat, why not take advantage of that?-- if the second line made up of spare parts appears to have that much chemistry, you have an opportunity to legitimately create a third scoring line with your unused scoring pieces)
Higgins - Sutter - Hansen (as good of a shutdown line as we could make)

Prust

Hutton - Tanev (I think when Hutton gets comfortable, this would be amazing with the Twins)
Hamhuis - Biega (safe, simple pairing-- Hamhuis hasn't had a smart, reliable partner in forever)
Edler - Bartkowski (I think this would be an underrated fit-- Edler seems most comfortable with this type of pure mobile puck-mover, and Bartkowski can play a mini-Ehrhoff role in transition, and not be relied on to defend the front of the net)

Weber
Sbisa

Markstrom
Miller


Three scoring lines and a shutdown line, potentially three reliable defense pairs, each with their own unique strengths.
 
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Here are the Canucks Shots f/a stats

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From: https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/650809801316913152


What we learned: Horvat is absolutely insane, McCann is really ****ing good for a 19 year old, Cassels did his job well, Baertschi has had a terrible pre-season, Hutton has pretty average stats, Virtanen too, Pedan played really well.

Hutton and Virtanen might have been dragged down based on the players they've played with.
 

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Sedin-Sedin-Sutter
Baertchi-Horvat-Vrbata
Burrows-McCann-Hansen
Prust-Cracknell-Dorrsett


Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Weber
Hutton-Bart


Miller
Markstrom

Scratches: Sbisa, Vey and Corrado

Virtanen to junior and rearrange lines when Higgins comes back
 
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Benning already looks stupid.

Sutter has done nothing to suggest he is better than McCann in any way.

If you were to come in with all the numbers stripped from the jerseys and no nameplates then you'd easily see that McCann has been the better player.

I agree with what you're saying I'm just try to point out that Benning has done stupid things before(most of us can agree with that) and he could very well do it again. He's not going to admit it was a bad idea to trade for Sutter and extend him before he played a game for the team. Thats my reasoning for why I wouldn't be surprised if Sutter is the 3rd line Center or gets more minutes .
 

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mccann and hutton sent down in order to keep 'depth'.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Baertschi Horvat Vrbata
Dorsett Sutter Hansen
Prust Cracknell Virtanen
Vey

Edler Tanev
Hamhuis Weber
Sbisa Bartkowski
Corrado

Miller
Markstrom

Virtanen sent down after Higgins comes back and we all get our hate on.
 

vanuck

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Here are the Canucks Shots f/a stats

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From: https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/650809801316913152


What we learned: Horvat is absolutely insane, McCann is really ****ing good for a 19 year old, Cassels did his job well, Baertschi has had a terrible pre-season, Hutton has pretty average stats, Virtanen too, Pedan played really well.

Hutton and Virtanen might have been dragged down based on the players they've played with.

Yikes. Baertschi looks awful from that.
 

TheWanderer

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Here are the Canucks Shots f/a stats

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From: https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/650809801316913152


What we learned: Horvat is absolutely insane, McCann is really ****ing good for a 19 year old, Cassels did his job well, Baertschi has had a terrible pre-season, Hutton has pretty average stats, Virtanen too, Pedan played really well.

Hutton and Virtanen might have been dragged down based on the players they've played with.

Edler/Tanev is really good. I liked Pedan, actually. I think he's going to be replacing Sbisa/Bart within a year, from a physicality standpoint. He's got a higher ceiling IMO. Burrows and Hansen are great shutdown players, as usual. Gotta give Dorsett credit here, I suppose. He's in good company on that chart.

Sbisa is somewhere between Baerts and Fedun level of bad. What does that tell you? Meanwhile, Cracknell is our funnest player, and Vey is just really mediocre.


All sounds about right.
 

crazyforhockey

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mccann and hutton sent down in order to keep 'depth'.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Baertschi Horvat Vrbata
Dorsett Sutter Hansen
Prust Cracknell Virtanen
Vey

Edler Tanev
Hamhuis Weber
Sbisa Bartkowski
Corrado

Miller
Markstrom

Virtanen sent down after Higgins comes back and we all get our hate on.

Yes its a safe protect the assets for the future plan. ....but you would think that management realizes that team has to many holes to be able to play with the big teams......

Sure it might make the playoffs....likely gone in first round......unless it hits the perfect wave and wins one round of playoffs. ....

The only real hope is to slot in talent and sc oring abilty....ie McCann..Virtanen and Hutton..even if sacrificing some depth on waivers
 

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Yikes. Baertschi looks awful from that.

That is one concern I do have with Baertschi. You take him away from Bo Horvat, and where does he fit in? My guess is that he'll have some chemistry with McCann, but Baertschi is almost like Sutter, in the sense that he needs specific linemates to maximize his value.
 

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This is what I want.

Sedin - Sedin - Vrbata
Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen
Burrows - Sutter - Hansen
Higgins - McCann - Dorsett
Prust

Edler - Tanev
Hamhuis - Weber
Hutton - Bartkowski
Biega

Miller
Markstrom
 

vanuck

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That is one concern I do have with Baertschi. You take him away from Bo Horvat, and where does he fit in? My guess is that he'll have some chemistry with McCann, but Baertschi is almost like Sutter, in the sense that he needs specific linemates to maximize his value.

Yeah, I don't see Baertschi as being the type of player to carry any line he's put on. More of a passenger, so to speak. If he does have success it'll likely be strictly in an offensive role alongside better players like Henrik or Horvat and only them.
 

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Edler/Tanev is really good. I liked Pedan, actually. I think he's going to be replacing Sbisa/Bart within a year, from a physicality standpoint. He's got a higher ceiling IMO. Burrows and Hansen are great shutdown players, as usual. Gotta give Dorsett credit here, I suppose. He's in good company on that chart.

Sbisa is somewhere between Baerts and Fedun level of bad. What does that tell you? Meanwhile, Cracknell is our funnest player, and Vey is just really mediocre.


All sounds about right.

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me to see Pedan even make the team by the end of the season depending on injuries.

Also, Biega should make the team but wont.
 

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Sedin - Sedin - Vrbata
Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen
Burrows - Sutter - Hansen
McCann centering a rotating combo of Vey/Cracknell and the bash brothers.

*Starting on the 4th line with 4th liners was good enough for Horvat. He can also move up the line-up if needed, gives line-up flexibilty.

Higgins comes back, send Cracknell down as long as both youngin's keeping up.

Edlnev
Hamhuis - Weber
Sbisa - Bartkowski
Hutton

Miller
Markstrom
 

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McCann is not Horvat.

McCann should NOT get the Horvat treatment.


It's a waste of our time to put McCann on the 4th line and play a crash bang role. He is a skill player and should play with wingers like Burrows,Hansen,Higgins. Not 4th liners.

McCann will have a lesser chance of reaching his ceiling if we put him on the 4th line.
 

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Sedin Sedin Virtanen
Burrows Horvat Vrbata
Barchi Sutter Hansen
Doorset Vey Prust/mccann

Edler Tanev
Hamuis Hutton
Sbisa Barkowski

Marky
Miller
 

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Make my day.
Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata
Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen
Gaunce-Sutter-Dorsett
Burrows-McCann-Hansen

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Weber
Huttob/Biega (we ask know it will be Sbisa)
Bart


PP1: Sedin Sedin Vrbata Edler Weber

PP2: baertschi-horvat-McCann Hutton Tanev
 

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