Young Malkin VS Matthews

[zeke]

Now lets see if Matthews can match 47 goal 106 point season next year.

that would be a helluva thing for Matthews to come close, considering Malkin needed 5:01 of PP ice time per game to get there.

but even without that, don't be surprised if Matthews comes close.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Let me know if Matthews hits almost 80 assists in his third year.

 

[zeke]

actually let me compare Auston at 20 with Malkin at 21 (his 106pt season):

21yr old Malkin 82gm pace: ES 15:28, 30gls, 66pts / PP 5:01, 17gls, 40pts
20yr old Auston 82gm pace: ES 15:57, 38gls, 66pts / PP 2:08, 7gls, 17pts

I wonder what Auston's line would have looked like with 2.5 times as much PP time?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

actually let me compare Auston at 20 with Malkin at 21 (his 106pt season):

21yr old Malkin 82gm pace: ES 15:28, 30gls, 66pts / PP 5:01, 17gls, 40pts
20yr old Auston 82gm pace: ES 15:57, 38gls, 66pts / PP 2:08, 7gls, 17pts

I wonder what Auston's line would have looked like with 2.5 times as much PP time?

probably much worse, as he'd have been fatigued

 

[Sky04]

Not even close, Malkin was miles ahead and always will be. Better goal scorer and miles ahead in playmaking.

 

[zeke]

probably much worse, as he'd have been fatigued

true. can't believe all those dumb coaches playing all their good players so many minutes. the dummies.

but for fun, 17pts x 2.5 = 43pts

 

[zeke]

Not even close, Malkin was miles ahead and always will be. Better goal scorer and miles ahead in playmaking.

Auston literally just scored more goals than Malkin at the same age - in 20 less games.

 

[LordZapp]

Matthews will never reach malkins level.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

In his third year, Malkin put up 36 points in the playoffs; 7th highest of all time. Good luck Matthews.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

why is it so hard for you guys to accept that Matthews is on the same level as a player he outperformed at the same age?

i don't get it.

Oh god. This is just like that Laine vs. Ovechkin thread. The Matthews/Laine hype can be just insane on this site.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

I mean goal scoring wise matthews was already better then young malkin

Malkin
20: 0.42 gpg 19th ppg, 19:10 toi
21: 0.57(5th in nhl) gpg. 3rd ppg 21:19 toi

Matthews
19:0.49(5th) gpg, 28th ppg 17:38 toi
20:0.55(2nd) gpg, 21st ppg 18:08 toi

Points Malkin has the clear edge. Malkin is a year older and playing more minutes however. Comparing by seasons malkin is better comparing by age matthes is better so far.

 

[Phil68]

Who were Malkin's line mates then?? lol

 

[Regal]

actually let me compare Auston at 20 with Malkin at 21 (his 106pt season):

21yr old Malkin 82gm pace: ES 15:28, 30gls, 66pts / PP 5:01, 17gls, 40pts
20yr old Auston 82gm pace: ES 15:57, 38gls, 66pts / PP 2:08, 7gls, 17pts

I wonder what Auston's line would have looked like with 2.5 times as much PP time?

Matthews's lack of PP time was partly balanced by his inflated on-ice shooting percentage at ES. Something he likely wouldn't maintain in the other 20 games. Also, while, he no doubt would would score more with more PP time, it's not as simple as a directly proportional relationship

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Who were Malkin's line mates then?? lol

07-08: Malone and Sykora
08-09: Fedotenko and Sykora
09-10: Fedotenko and Dupuis

 

[TheAngryHank]

Malkin won the Calder in his 1st season, finished 2nd in scoring plus went to the finals in his 2nd season, and Malkin won the Art Ross Conn Smythe, and Stanley Cup in his 3rd season.

Matthews has got a ways to go.

He did all that by himself,?

 

[mikeybuddha91]

I love this new version of HF...where is BAD if players are so good at Offense that their coaches utilizes them a bit extra there and lets 3rd liners take more 5-on-5 time. Weird. I checked who is on the ice for most PP goals ever and it's...only good players. Ray Bourque is a worse D-man than someone else because he scored so much on the PP.

NHL & WHA Career Leaders and Records for Power Play Goals On-Ice For | Hockey-Reference.com

Matthews is phenomenal. Malkin is phenomenal. Matthews hasn't shown anything YET to say he's Malkin-level. Eye balls tell me that.

 

[X66]

Now lets see if Matthews can match 47 goal 106 point season next year. Using your narrative, he'll also get "cushy 2nd line competition" similar to Malkin's for 53 games of his 21 yr old season (Crosby was injured for 29 games that year).

Give Matthews over 5 minutes of PP time a game then.

That’s what Malkin got.

 

[K Fleur]

He did all that by himself,?

Yup, as you can clearly see I said Malkin did it all by himself.

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[Phil68]

07-08: Malone and Sykora
08-09: Fedotenko and Sykora
09-10: Fedotenko and Dupuis

And who are MatthewS linemates? Big difference yes? Yet Malkin put up 106 points with these guys on his wing.. lmao

 

[Seanaconda]

actually let me compare Auston at 20 with Malkin at 21 (his 106pt season):

21yr old Malkin 82gm pace: ES 15:28, 30gls, 66pts / PP 5:01, 17gls, 40pts
20yr old Auston 82gm pace: ES 15:57, 38gls, 66pts / PP 2:08, 7gls, 17pts

I wonder what Auston's line would have looked like with 2.5 times as much PP time?

once Matthews and marner are signed I bet Toronto overloads their pp so we will find out. I actually doubt Matthews is worse than bozak

 

[mikeybuddha91]

Give Matthews over 5 minutes of PP time a game then.

That’s what Malkin got.

If it was beneficial to him or his team he would have. This is not something you punish a player for in comparisons. I have no idea where this came from and why it's so popular now. They are offensive players. It's just good coaching to play the one who produces more on the PP...on the PP. What if scenarios have no use here and hurt Matthews IMO. He's so good that nobody needs to invent ways to compare them. He's close just not there as of yet. And that's fine.

 

[olli]

Give Matthews over 5 minutes of PP time a game then.

That’s what Malkin got.

That doesn't mean that he'd keep scoring on the PP at the same rate had he been given 5 minutes of PP time.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

This is OT and I also obviously doubt Barzal becomes as good as Malkin, but you mention that Malkin is decent defensively when I would say Barzal certainly has the potential to be a much better defensive player than Malkin.

Malkin's weird in that regard. When he wants to be, Malkin's a beast defensively. When he's not half-assing it, he's a takeaway machine, he's positionally strong, supports the D really well, and can out-muscle people for pucks along the boards. Thing is, he picks and chooses when he wants to play like that and when he wants to "cheat" in the defensive zone.

It seems like everything Malkin does has an "when he wants" label attached to it. But when he wants to, I think he's actually better defensively than Crosby, largely because he's such a takeaway beast.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

unfortunately we don't have advanced stats for Malkin's 20yr old season.

But we can just look at the standard stats I guess.

Standard Stats (Even Strength in brackets - Malkin's extra ice came entirely on the PP)

Malkin: 78gms, 33gls (17), 85pts (45), 19:10 ---- 82gm pace: 35gls (18), 89pts (47)
Auston: 62gms, 34gls (29), 63pts (50), 18:08 --- 82gm pace: 45gls (38), 83pts (66)

And we know Malkin was playing a cushy 2nd line competition, not elite 1st line competition like Auston was.


Why does HF have such a hard time admitting what tier of player Matthews belongs on?

it's so weird.

Malkin also had to adapt to a NA ice for his 1st season.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

why is it so hard for you guys to accept that Matthews is on the same level as a player he outperformed at the same age?

i don't get it.

Because he didn’t outperform him? That’s pure speculation. 85 in higher than 63 in my books...