Yannick Weber
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As bad as Bieksa can be at times, he's (obviously) better than Sbisa. If Benning trades Bieksa and keeps Weber, that may be a good move for the team (and would balance out the Sbisa disaster a little bit), but wow would that suck to see as a fan. Bieksa should retire a Canuck.
Think there's really no chance Weber sticks around. A competent team like the Habs will probably scoop him up (the Jeff Petry experiment has been better recently, but don't know if he's shown enough to be re-signed).
Think there's really no chance Weber sticks around. A competent team like the Habs will probably scoop him up (the Jeff Petry experiment has been better recently, but don't know if he's shown enough to be re-signed).
Addison Rae
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Like someone wrote it in the Game Thread against the Coyotes, I think security would be really important for Weber. Always he had to sign contracts for just one year, so if the Canucks could offer him a 3 year contract (1.5, 1.7, 2.0) I think he would take it!
ginner classic
Dammit Jim!
Benning and WD are complete idiots if they have Clendening ahead of Weber. He's tripe. Weber earned that spot....he won that spot.
You should say he THINKS he has leverage or his agent will argue that point thinking its leverage. Realistically Weber has little leverage because we actually have a possible replacement for him in clendening. You could argue Weber is better or any other point you like but at the end of the day both are good offensively. Clendening is younger and due to the fact we gave up something to get him and he needs to clear waiver next year, he'll likely be on the team unless he has a horrible camp/off season.
Clendening has all the tools that he could fill in Weber's role. He might make more rookie mistakes and might not produce as much but personally i think his upside is higher than Weber and could be a better top 4 D in the future.
Also remember that now with Sbisa signed, there's pretty much 5 "locks" next year in KB3/Hamhuis/Edler/Tanev and of course Sbisa. Stanton likely will be moved (in my opinion) but if Weber doesn't stay, Stanton again going to take away any leverage Weber might have because again you have a replacement option who is a NHL Dmen (actually Stanton plays a similar game to Sbisa, not as physical but he would likely cost a lot less and could fill the role... reason i don't like Sbisa's contract at all but that's another topic).
As far as Sbisa's contract goes, it does raise Weber's value somewhat but again 'nucks don't have to sign him nor does he have to sign here. If he wants to stay here, he'll likely have to take less money (and again lose leverage). If he wants to sign else where, then he could get a decent payday. There is no pressure at all for JB to match any offer or sign Weber tho so he has little leverage when working on a contract with us.
Personally i like how the PP look with him there and would love for him to be resigned. It does mean we'll lose Stanton via trade and likely have little leverage in any trade but sometime thats the price you pay when you deal the way JB deals (getting players close to needing to clear waivers while their price is low also means you need to get rid of some players when their values are at a low 'cause you can only carry so many players).
I wouldn't mind paying over 2mil/year for Weber but if he cost more than Sbisa, it would be problematic for us moving forward. We do have Hamhuis/KB3 coming off the books but i think there's a good chance 1 if not both of them are resigned. Given the cap going up, they might even be looking for raises (tho not huge, even Sedins got modest raises). I would target ~2.5mil/year... any less would be great. Anymore and i would just be happy with the Ds we already have (which is a pretty solid group as is) and move on.
We actually have pretty good depth even without Weber with:
Edler
Tanev
Hamhuis
KB3
Sbisa
Clendening/Corrado/Stanton
Pedan
Also Biega if we resign him is a pretty decent option. Andersson has been great in the AHL this season (and pretty much every year) and if he comes back for another year could be another "option" we have as IR replacement. Not considering Hutton/Subban/etc since they are likely more long term options than say next season.
This is untrue.
Clendening is the worst skating NHL defencemen I've seen since the 90's. He also doesn't have Weber's cannon. On top of all that, he has a far ways to go to get to Weber's level defensively.
But he who cannot be named has committed to Clendening next season, so he'll have a spot on the team.
me2
Go ahead foot
You compared them to each other as if their bargaining positiins where equal. Krug is 23 and had many years of RFA left, he had no leverage.
Weber is older than Sbisa (and heavier too), these two are in about the same contact RFA/UFA spot. Play on the same team, Weber has been better. It is why they are relevant and Krug is not.
I know it was the Oilers but watching that PP with Weber was just magic.
Can't believe we're probably going to lose this guy because of Sbisa and Clendenning.
Can't believe we're probably going to lose this guy because of Sbisa and Clendenning.
WTG
December 5th
I know it was the Oilers but watching that PP with Weber was just magic.
Can't believe we're probably going to lose this guy because of Sbisa and Clendenning.
Well Clendening you shouldn't be mad about.
It's Sbisa and Dorsett that are taking up all the cap space
Well Clendening you shouldn't be mad about.
It's Sbisa and Dorsett that are taking up all the cap space
There's room to squeeze him in on the cap sheet but Clendenning is pretty much guaranteed a spot on the team unless the team waives him which isn't going to happen.
WTG
December 5th
He is still can be used as a depth defenseman.
7th defenseman and plays with injuries. Kind of like Stanton this year.
Addison Rae
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me2
Go ahead foot
Ace of Hades
#Demko4Vezina
One of the most underappreciated players on the team. Wish him all the best because unfortunately I don't think he's coming back next season with all the logjam on defense.
dwarf
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If the Canucks let Weber walk, they will have made a serious error.
This guy is not the best defensively but he is finally understanding how to play the PP with the Sedins.
This guy is not the best defensively but he is finally understanding how to play the PP with the Sedins.
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I know it was the Oilers but watching that PP with Weber was just magic.
Can't believe we're probably going to lose this guy because of Sbisa and Clendenning.
Probably Sbisa more so than Clendenning, but I get what you're saying.
"Benning and WD are complete idiots if they have Clendening ahead of Weber."
Agreed.
"He's tripe. "
There's no need to downgrade Clendening to make the point that Weber is ahead of him on the depth chart because of Weber's good play. Clendening is younger and just coming to the end of his days as a prospect. On some NHL teams he would be a regular bottom pair guy. On others there are too many players ahead of him to keep him. That doesn't make him tripe.
"Weber earned that spot....he won that spot."
Agreed.
Ryp37
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Yup I harped on the guy last year for being bad on the pp but he's looked a lot more like the guy we hoped he d be this year
I think Weber's play is another example of Bennings strategy to set up ice time battles within the team.
Don't think it is any accident that Weber is playing better with the addition of Clendening. Conversely, Clendening knows he is going to have to be better than Weber or Bieksa to get any playing time next year.
Over the summer, I would expect Weber to work on strength and Clendening on skating. Should be interesting to watch the defence during training camp.
Don't think it is any accident that Weber is playing better with the addition of Clendening. Conversely, Clendening knows he is going to have to be better than Weber or Bieksa to get any playing time next year.
Over the summer, I would expect Weber to work on strength and Clendening on skating. Should be interesting to watch the defence during training camp.
thepuckmonster
Professional Winner.
I don't think Weber is going to be let go, and I don't really even like him that much (I'm stubborn, I know).
To use the 'easy negotiating' thing everyone is harping on: I think it's harder to quantify a player like Weber because he's gone through pretty significant streaks of being rendered ineffective due to size and style of game. I think they want to see what he does during the playoffs with his new 1PP assignment so they have a better grasp on what he'll be offering moving forward.
Stanton is the odd man out I think, unless he signs a small contract a la Weber last year.
To use the 'easy negotiating' thing everyone is harping on: I think it's harder to quantify a player like Weber because he's gone through pretty significant streaks of being rendered ineffective due to size and style of game. I think they want to see what he does during the playoffs with his new 1PP assignment so they have a better grasp on what he'll be offering moving forward.
Stanton is the odd man out I think, unless he signs a small contract a la Weber last year.
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Yup. He'll sign a 1 year deal for 1.5. He is a RFA with little leverage. Nothing to see here, I don't see what everyone is freaking out about.
The funny thing is I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not with what's happened.
If Weber's agent is even remotely competent he will ask for close to 4 million. Will be interesting what the arbitrator thinks of this whole mess. A significantly worse player in an exact same situation just got extended to a massive 3 year 3.6 million/yr deal. How the hell does Weber sign for 1.5 million. No way, if Weber's camp make their case properly.
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