GDT: XXXVI | "Boxing Day Bonus" | Battle of Alberta | 12.27.22 | Saddledome | 7:00 PM | SNW

[Drivesaitl]

Fair posts and one has to believe Campbell will snap back to more career based numbers eventually. That said, I've never, ever seen a situation in which a high priced free agent had to have his game completely gutted down the wood and rebuild - including equipment, technical, and mental. It's a major storyline in a season of under achievement which includes the Holiday House of giveaway .500 home record. This team's coach didn't have confidence in Campbell to start him in home games against Anaheim or Canucks.

All Hail the rookie goaltender that's kept this team afloat.

Interesting as it is Campbell has a notch higher win %. just saying

Not taking anything away from Skinner at all who has been the better goalie but is here in his incarnation where there can be less pressure as a new NHL goalie finding his footsteps as newer goalies often do.

Nor can it be said that Skinner would be the same, and as nerveless if he knew he was hauling the whole cart and with nobody else. Skinner, in his own words has credited Campbell.

 

[Oilhawks]

He's worked with Skinner from a young age, like bantam or so. Along with every off-season through his professional development. Add the Flyers young goaltender and you have two young NHL goaltenders who've been developed into big league goaltenders. The Oilers issue repeatedly is trying to evolved fully baked deep veteran goaltenders like Koskinen, Smith, Campbell et all.

Fun narrative though.

"Can't teach an old dog new tricks"

Not crazy about Schwartz but I think the narrative around him is a bit overblown, particularly seeing how good Skinner is who has developed under his tutelage since a young age.

 

[CycloneSweep]

He's worked with Skinner from a young age, like bantam or so. Along with every off-season through his professional development. Add the Flyers young goaltender and you have two young NHL goaltenders who've been developed into big league goaltenders. The Oilers issue repeatedly is trying to evolved fully baked deep veteran goaltenders like Koskinen, Smith, Campbell et all.

Fun narrative though.

What’s the narrative? He is an awful goalie coach and hasn’t proved otherwise.

 

[barry halls]

Stone will score his obligatory goal or two from the point but I think the good guys will show up for this one

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

What’s the narrative? He is an awful goalie coach and hasn’t proved otherwise.

Skinner and Hart suggest otherwise.

Rehabilitating, rehabbing old, established goaltenders is a recurring team issue. Along with a sub-deep playoff level defense corp, poor own zone defending and forward support. All systemic issue with a team that tries to outscore its defensive deficiencies and lazy, undisciplined own zone play. Must be the goalie coach...

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Skinner and Hart suggest otherwise.

Rehabilitating, rehabbing old, established goaltenders is a recurring team issue. Along with a sub-deep playoff level defense corp, poor own zone defending and forward support. All systemic issue with a team that tries to outscore its defensive deficiencies and lazy, undisciplined own zone play. Must be the goalie coach...

He’s just one of many issues plaguing the org. He was only hired because he was the goalie coach of the Oil Kings.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Interesting as it is Campbell has a notch higher win %. just saying

Not taking anything away from Skinner at all who has been the better goalie but is here in his incarnation where there can be less pressure as a new NHL goalie finding his footsteps as newer goalies often do.

Nor can it be said that Skinner would be the same, and as nerveless if he knew he was hauling the whole cart and with nobody else. Skinner, in his own words has credited Campbell.

Small sample size. Hard reality is that Skinner's had to carry both the volume of games played and the higher competitive opponents while the Campbell vehicle is in the shop for major overhaul. This team caught a massive break with Skinner able to take on the starter's role and workload as a rookie ... and on a team that set its internal expectation to chase deep playoff runs. That doesn't always go well.

Full credit to Campbell for being a quality teammate. Critical with his own Oilers start cratering as badly as it has been. This is a promising tandem from their collegial team first support of one another.

"Can't teach an old dog new tricks"

Not crazy about Schwartz but I think the narrative around him is a bit overblown, particularly seeing how good Skinner is who has developed under his tutelage since a young age.

I don't disagree. I would love to see this organization steal away one of the elite goaltender coaches. But it's pretty clear this team has major dysfunction with its chosen style of play and systemic issues. Pointing at goaltending coaches when this team's defense and own zone defending is a systemic trainwreck is misspent.

 

[SwedishFire]

Why keep forcing Yamamoto on Draisaotls wing..???

 

[Weitz]

For the love of god start the game on time.

 

[Harry Curry]

Why keep forcing Yamamoto on Draisaotls wing..???

The Oilers options at RW are Yamamoto and Puljujarvi if they are splitting up McDrai.

McDavid and Puljujarvi plus Draisaitl and Yamamoto are the best ways to pair the four.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

He’s just one of many issues plaguing the org. He was only hired because he was the goalie coach of the Oil Kings.

This team tries to outscore a poor defensive corp, bad d-zone structure and work rate, and rocks a 72% Penalty Kill. It's a chronic issue that got the last guy fired. This team's abortive defensive zone work is being propped up by a rookie goaltender. A guy who's worked extensively with this team's goaltender coach since he was a young amateur goaltender. Skinner's effusive in praising his long standing goalie coach's work to develop him and this year's Toilet Seat is grateful to have someone making stops.

Fix the personnel issue on the blue line, demand smarter, more disciplined and structured d-zone play by defenders and forwards, and do something, anything to correct a 72% penalty kill. Once these systemic issues are addressed by management, coaches, and players, the read on this team's goaltender coach will become more clear. Until then, thank goodness for the rookie goalie who got that long-term development coaching that's helping to bail out one of this league's biggest under achievers to this point in the season.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

For the love of god start the game on time.

The oilers or the NHL?

 

[Weitz]

The oilers or the NHL?

Both. But I’d prefer the oilers start on time.

 

[LemmyUlanov55]

I just realized the Flames will start Markstrom.. We got this!

Go Oilers!

 

[Drivesaitl]

Of course Campbell is better than people are presently thinking. I have seen him play more this season than I have the rest of his career combined.

There are 60 NHL goalies who have played enough to be ranked in league statistics this season.

Campbell has the 57th best GAA.
Campbell has the 56th best save percentage.

Campbell may have come back from tough times before. Counting on him to come back this season is a recipe for sewering the season.

If people had said Campbell would be .900 with a 3.00 GAA in his first season of an 8-year deal people would have been less inclined to support that trade.

How well would Campbell have to play the rest of the the way to get to .900 with a 3.00 GAA?

Well lets flesh that out a bit. I selected for min 10GP, probably same as you did. What I found is that goals have increased and this is showing on goalies. 20 goalies on that list including some that have won SC are BELOW .900 save %. Statistically as well short sample means a handful of extra stops moves you up the ladder substantially. The important thing is Campbell even given the rough start is in the mix. He's in the curve. Would be more worried if he wasn't Plus that this is the curve of goalies GETTING starts. One would think with 32 teams there would be around 62 goalies getting appreciable starts. But there isn't.

Interesting thing is Campbell stats in first 5 starts here were mostly pretty good. Seemed like a team playing poor D in front of him didn't help. More goalies are being scored this season and theres more games in which high goal totals are reached where teams just open it up. This impacts goalie stats of course and could be around .900 is the new normal. Or the mode.

.900 is more plausible to reach than 3.00GAA though. That ain't happening this season. heh

Of note 7 of Campbells starts have been .900 or better so he's not out in the woods.

 

[frag2]

I'm starting to think it's not Woodcroft's decision where JP is playing. Holland is trying to trade him and to increase value, he needs points. McDavids line is the best option for that but it's a hexagonal peg being smashed into a triangle hole.

It's the only explanation. Guy has no puck skills yet they staple him to the most skilled player in the game. Has to be a Holland directive.

 

[Broberg Speed]

The Oilers options at RW are Yamamoto and Puljujarvi if they are splitting up McDrai.

McDavid and Puljujarvi plus Draisaitl and Yamamoto are the best ways to pair the four.

Yamamoto vs Zadorov tonight

 

[CycloneSweep]

Skinner and Hart suggest otherwise.

Rehabilitating, rehabbing old, established goaltenders is a recurring team issue. Along with a sub-deep playoff level defense corp, poor own zone defending and forward support. All systemic issue with a team that tries to outscore its defensive deficiencies and lazy, undisciplined own zone play. Must be the goalie coach...

So he is good at developing guys in junior but struggles with NHL goalies.

 

[Kerberos]

Puljujarvi and Yamamoto still in the top 6 f***ing up their lines.

Starting to think that they're trojan horses.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

So he is good at developing guys in junior but struggles with NHL goalies.

The proof is two young NHL goaltenders. Both arrived reasonable young and have had to step into #1 goaltender roles on their team. With Hart it was planned. Skinner by default of a rebuild need on this team's top off-season signing. The tangible evidence is in.

As said in my past post:

Fix the personnel issue on the blue line, demand smarter, more disciplined and structured d-zone play by defenders and forwards, and do something, anything to correct a 72% penalty kill. Once these systemic issues are addressed by management, coaches, and players, the read on this team's goaltender coach will become more clear. Until then, thank goodness for the rookie goalie who got that long-term development coaching that's helping to bail out one of this league's biggest under achievers to this point in the season.

 

[CycloneSweep]

The proof is two young NHL goaltenders. Both arrived reasonable young and have had to step into #1 goaltender roles on their team. With Hart it was planned. Skinner by default of a rebuild need on this team's top off-season signing. The tangible evidence is in.

As said in my past post:

Fix the personnel issue on the blue line, demand smarter, more disciplined and structured d-zone play by defenders and forwards, and do something, anything to correct a 72% penalty kill. Once these systemic issues are addressed by management, coaches, and players, the read on this team's goaltender coach will become more clear. Until then, thank goodness for the rookie goalie who got that long-term development coaching that's helping to bail out one of this league's biggest under achievers to this point in the season.

There is a major difference between a guy who works with young goalies and one who works with them in the NHL.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Puljujarvi and Yamamoto still in the top 6 f***ing up their lines.

Starting to think that they're trojan horses.

Decoys.

Not particularly good ones.

I didn't want to say pylons.

Somebody might complain.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

There is a major difference between a guy who works with young goalies and one who works with them in the NHL.

He's done both and gaging by Skinner's early work with Campbell's struggles it works. But again, correct for all of the Oilers systemic issues as I presented (and supported by their stats and record), then we can gage more clearly the work of a positional coach.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I hope this is not foreshadowing the post Christmas first period.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

This team tries to outscore a poor defensive corp, bad d-zone structure and work rate, and rocks a 72% Penalty Kill. It's a chronic issue that got the last guy fired. This team's abortive defensive zone work is being propped up by a rookie goaltender. A guy who's worked extensively with this team's goaltender coach since he was a young amateur goaltender. Skinner's effusive in praising his long standing goalie coach's work to develop him and this year's Toilet Seat is grateful to have someone making stops.

Fix the personnel issue on the blue line, demand smarter, more disciplined and structured d-zone play by defenders and forwards, and do something, anything to correct a 72% penalty kill. Once these systemic issues are addressed by management, coaches, and players, the read on this team's goaltender coach will become more clear. Until then, thank goodness for the rookie goalie who got that long-term development coaching that's helping to bail out one of this league's biggest under achievers to this point in the season.

You know we have been saying this stuff for more than a decade, right?