Confirmed Signing with Link: [WSH] - John Carlson 8yr/64m (8mAAV)

[Syckle78]

So who's the best ufa defenseman at this point?

 

[KenAF]

How on Earth is he a top-10 defenseman in the league?

Members of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association voted Carlson as a top-5 defenseman for the 2017-2018 season. Carlson received more than twice as many points as the next candidate. No player received more 4th place votes and only Hedman, Doughty, and Subban received more 1st place votes.

 

[karnige]

gotta overpay. he was a huge reason the caps won the cup and he's only 28. people laugh at the deal but if the capacity don't pay someone does.

 

[Revelation]

How on Earth is he a top-10 defenseman in the league?

Puts up points, plays all situations for his team really well and was the top defenseman in the league these playoffs to start.

 

[Eggtimer]

Awesome D , puts up points but don’t agree with the “plays all situations “ thing.
He was somewhat sheltered in defensive zone starts and is not a shut-down , playing vs. other teams top line with < minute left in the game, type of D.

 

[cyris]

So who's the best ufa defenseman at this point?

Probably Calvin De Haan and as such he is going to be way overpaid.

Also and Isles fans may be able to clear this up. But I heard because of his previous injuries it will be very hard to get his contract insured.

I like CDH but who ever signs him may grow to regret it.

 

[Blue Line Turnover]

Good deal for an elite D who happens to be entering his prime

 

[Neutrinos]

Too much money

Averaging .55 PPG for his career. He's only ever finished in the top 10 in Norris voting once - and that was a 10th place finish

Kudos to his agent!


EDIT: Hockey Reference doesn't have his Norris finish listed for this year
John Carlson Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

Thanks to those of you who pointed out he finished 5th this season

 

[KenAF]

Too much money

Averaging .55 PPG for his career. He's only ever finished in the top 10 in Norris voting once - and that was a 10th place finish

Once before the 2017-2018 season, you mean, where he was 5th.

 

[hockeykicker]

Too much money

Averaging .55 PPG for his career. He's only ever finished in the top 10 in Norris voting once - and that was a 10th place finish

Kudos to his agent!

did you know thats better then drew doughty, way ahead of ekman larsson, equal to scott stevens. kinda makes it a meaningless stat no?

 

[CupHolders]

Probably Calvin De Haan and as such he is going to be way overpaid.

Also and Isles fans may be able to clear this up. But I heard because of his previous injuries it will be very hard to get his contract insured.

I like CDH but who ever signs him may grow to regret it.

Yes, that’s the understanding. I can’t recall where it was reported though.

That fact might benefit a big cash generating team like the Leafs.

If he IS injured he can go on LTIR and his team could still receive the benefits of cap relief. However, insurance wouldn’t be there to pay out the cash. That would still have to come from the organization.

So to summarize, I can see a low salary team being reluctant to pay for him. Leaving only the big clubs to compete for him.

 

[Hivemind]

Too much money

Averaging .55 PPG for his career. He's only ever finished in the top 10 in Norris voting once - and that was a 10th place finish

Kudos to his agent!

He finished 5th this year.

 

[Zirakzigil]

What I expected for him. Hes not worth it in my opinion, but the Caps couldnt afford to lose him.

 

[txpd]

did you know thats better then drew doughty, way ahead of ekman larsson, equal to scott stevens. kinda makes it a meaningless stat no?

And of course doesn't take into account that a big chunk of his career he played behind Mike Green for PP time.

 

[OviTaughtMe]

Literally every deal signed this offseason will be an “overpayment” according to HFBoards.

You guys are ridiculous. There is always a way to get out of a bad contract down the road. It’s not rocket science. The Avs just traded for Brooks f***ing Orpik

“Damn, the Sharks got a time machine and signed prime Gretzky for $11M AAV over 7 years??? I mean he’s a good player but that’ll look bad in the future!” Get over yourselves. This isn’t your NHL 18 career mode. These players deserve the slight “overpayments” for all the pain they endure

 

[Gargyn]

Geez I came in here to say I think it’s a good deal and see I’m definitely in the minority. He’s a great dman. Him along with Orlov, Niskanen and Kempny provides a solid top 4 for the foreseeable future to go with Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Wilson, Vrana, Burakovsky, Eller up front and Samsonov and Holtby in goal.

 

[MadaCanuckle]

Damn, seems like there's a lot of people bitter for Carlson resigning with his team. Term is two years longer than it should but AAV is reasonable. I wonder when Tavares signs, people will say that his contract is a huge blunder and whatnot...

 

[johnnybbadd]

Lots of people are bashing the term but lots of defencemen play their best hockey between 30-35. Positional awareness and puck management are far more important traits than skating for a defenceman. Plus most players don’t lose that much speed until their late 30s especially with the way athletes take care of their bodies these days. I think it’s a very fair deal for a very good player.

 

[TorontoTrades]

8 is pretty reasonable given what he could have got on open market.

Good signing for Capitals.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Apparently second pairing defenseman lead their team in TOI now?

What on earth did people think Carlson was going to get?

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

gotta overpay. he was a huge reason the caps won the cup and he's only 28. people laugh at the deal but if the capacity don't pay someone does.

Yep, gotta pay the guys you have, not the guys you wish you had.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Apparently second pairing defenseman lead their team in TOI now?

What on earth did people think Carlson was going to get?

At even strength Orlov/Niskanen are the TOI leaders and get tougher matchups. Carlson is certainly not a top pairing D man in the classical sense of the word, if you want to argue that he is being used as one.

 

[Nice]

Carlson is much better defensively than people give him credit for. He ain't no Mike Green or Shattenkirk.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

At even strength Orlov/Niskanen are the TOI leaders and get tougher matchups. Carlson is certainly not a top pairing D man in the classical sense of the word, if you want to argue that he is being used as one.

Carlson's ESTOI and matchup were hugely influenced by his partners this season. He played with kids until the deadline. When Alzner had functioning hands, he and Carlson were the shutdown pairing for the Caps.

Carlson is every bit of a #1 defenseman.

 

[Silky mitts]

I think Hamilton and Carlson are on a similar level, and 3 years of Hamilton at $5.75M was just traded for a lot. Got to pay for D.