Confirmed with Link: [WPG/NYR] Hayes for 2019 1st, (F) Brendan Lemieux & Cond. 2022 4th

[duhmetreE]

If Lemieux scores a goal as his next point then he will have doubled Hollweg's career goal total and tied his career point total

We're going to put his jersey next to Zucc's in the rafters

 

[Ola]

Big and heavy team, when they can get a hold of the opponents they are unstoppable. On the flip side, when they don’t they will look awful (kind of like LAK).

 

[romba]

If Lemieux scores a goal as his next point then he will have doubled Hollweg's career goal total and tied his career point total

Yes but can Lemieux DO THIS

 

[YoSoyLalo]

I watched 2 periods of the Jets game tonight to see Kevin. What an absolute mess. On paper, the Jets have it all, including perhaps the best center depth in the league. But watching that team play: serious coaching and systems issues. Stretch/"hope" passes all over the ice, multiple odd man rushes against each period, 40 shots against, terrible PK, and just very lackadaisical in defensive zone. Eerily similar to the AV brand of hockey. They lost to the Wild, who are below them in the standings. Just look at the Jets forum post game thread, it's almost despair over there with how bad their coach is. Contender? That team might not even make the playoffs if they repeat that performance for the rest of the season.

Feeling grateful to have DQ. I seriously forgot how frustrating it was watching a team give up 40+ shots every night and grade-a odd man rushes every 5 minutes.

They should have fired Maurice a while ago, they’re AVing it with that guy. They had the same issue with Noel, just holding onto mediocre coaches for too long.

 

[CasusBelli]

They should have fired Maurice a while ago, they’re AVing it with that guy. They had the same issue with Noel, just holding onto mediocre coaches for too long.

They need AV.

 

[SA16]

I really like Maurice as a coach.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

The big mistake with Hayes was giving him only a 1 year contract, they should have done at least 2 years then he would have returned a much bigger package

 

[UnSandvich]

The big mistake with Hayes was giving him only a 1 year contract, they should have done at least 2 years then he would have returned a much bigger package

I'm sure one was offered. Hayes obviously didn't accept it

 

[jay from jersey]

I'm sure one was offered. Hayes obviously didn't accept it

Yea there was talk Hayes wanted 5 years 6 mill per from rangers before the trade

 

[egelband]

Yea there was talk Hayes wanted 5 years 6 mill per from rangers before the trade

That’s still a 2C salary. I guess JG doesn’t see Hayes as a 2C on a Cup winner. Not sure I agree, personally, but I can see not wanting to lock that in at that point in time. That was prior to the rebuild getting ramped up with Panarin, Kakko, and, Lafrenière. Not to mention ADA blossoming and getting Trouba and Fox. So much changed in a year-plus.

 

[LokiDog]

Ultimately it was Hayes and Pionk for Trouba and Lemieux (and a conditional 4th in 2022).

Hayes had 13 points in 20 games for Winnipeg and finished the year with 55, but then signed with Philly. He had 41 points in 69 games last year, so he paced for 49. He’s a good all around player. I don’t think we’d feel set or satisfied with him as our long term 2C though. At 7.14M for 6 years... He averages basically 44-49 points per season.

Pionk got 3M a year for 2 years as well after the trade. So 10.14M between them last year. Trouba and Lemieux cost us 8.925M last year and will probably cost us about 9.5M this year.

Last year:
Pionk: 45 points @3m
Hayes: 41 points @7.14M
Trouba: 27 points @8M
Lemieux: 18 points @925k

Pionk would be redundant on this team with Fox, ADA and Lundkvist all in the system, but had himself a nice year statistically. He’s not a good defender, but 45 points in a shortened season from a young RH defender is still pretty solid. Hayes won’t ever live up to that contract. He gets 600k more than Kreider and puts up 10-15 points less. Sure, he’s an adequate center and good two way player, but that’s a lot of money for a borderline 50 point guy. Philly fans seem happy with his play, but not price tag. Trouba also won’t live up to his contract. We can hope, however, that as the team matures he finds some of his offense again. He needs a non-rookie to help out with the tougher assignments and share the load. He’s not an 8M guy though. Lemieux needs a new contract but brings something we needed. So far he’s been fine as a 4th liner but I’d like to see him a bit more engaged and given a chance to be a legitimate third line guy who can chip in some goals.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Ultimately it was Hayes and Pionk for Trouba and Lemieux (and a conditional 4th in 2022).

Hayes had 13 points in 20 games for Winnipeg and finished the year with 55, but then signed with Philly. He had 41 points in 69 games last year, so he paced for 49. He’s a good all around player. I don’t think we’d feel set or satisfied with him as our long term 2C though. At 7.14M for 6 years... He averages basically 44-49 points per season.

Pionk got 3M a year for 2 years as well after the trade. So 10.14M between them last year. Trouba and Lemieux cost us 8.925M last year and will probably cost us about 9.5M this year.

Last year:
Pionk: 45 points @3m
Hayes: 41 points @7.14M
Trouba: 27 points @8M
Lemieux: 18 points @925k

Pionk would be redundant on this team with Fox, ADA and Lundkvist all in the system, but had himself a nice year statistically. He’s not a good defender, but 45 points in a shortened season from a young RH defender is still pretty solid. Hayes won’t ever live up to that contract. He gets 600k more than Kreider and puts up 10-15 points less. Sure, he’s an adequate center and good two way player, but that’s a lot of money for a borderline 50 point guy. Philly fans seem happy with his play, but not price tag. Trouba also won’t live up to his contract. We can hope, however, that as the team matures he finds some of his offense again. He needs a non-rookie to help out with the tougher assignments and share the load. He’s not an 8M guy though. Lemieux needs a new contract but brings something we needed. So far he’s been fine as a 4th liner but I’d like to see him a bit more engaged and given a chance to be a legitimate third line guy who can chip in some goals.

I would prefer Trouba focus on being a defensive horse. If he can put up 35 to 40 points and be reliable on defense like McD then it's a W. He's not going to get 1PP time, and even 2PP is questionable with our forward depth. Not many players put up over 40 points without top PP minutes.

Trouba admits the transition didnt go as well as he wanted. He's never been THE GUY before and now with Staal gone there will even be a leadership void he needs to fill. This year will either be his opportunity to live up to his ceiling or possibly getting moved before the next off season.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

He has a NMC. Assuming he would wave it is foolish.

 

[Larrybiv]

Lemieux needs a new contract but brings something we needed. So far he’s been fine as a 4th liner but I’d like to see him a bit more engaged and given a chance to be a legitimate third line guy who can chip in some goals.

Here, here! Wasnt it Lemieux who seemed out of shape and NOT ready for those type 3rd line minutes when we first acquired him? Would LOVE for him to live up to what he possibly could bring offensively, but hasnt really done so thus far. Seems he will be relegated to 4th, UNLESS......lets just hope he is in tip top shape to grab more playing time on 3rd.

If things really pan out on our 3rd line......there simply not even be room for him on the 3rd. Imo.

 

[noupf]

Yes but can Lemieux DO THIS

what im trying to figure out is who was #6 and why there is a "C" on that jersey in the background......

Wasn't Hollweg there during the Jagr/Drury era? Thats numbers 68 and 23

 

[Thirty One]

what im trying to figure out is who was #6 and why there is a "C" on that jersey in the background......

That would be Jagr's jersey. There's an 8 on there too but the sleeve is folded.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

what im trying to figure out is who was #6 and why there is a "C" on that jersey in the background......

Kasparaitis? Maybe that was a 16 and it was Holik?

 

[noupf]

That would be Jagr's jersey. There's an 8 on there too but the sleeve is folded.

good call, has to be jagr with a fold like you said.

 

[Larrybiv]

Lemieux needs a new contract but brings something we needed. So far he’s been fine as a 4th liner but I’d like to see him a bit more engaged and given a chance to be a legitimate third line guy who can chip in some goals.

Here, here! Wasnt it Lemieux who seemed out of shape and NOT ready for those type 3rd line minutes when we first acquired him? Would LOVE for him to live up to what he possibly could bring offensively, but hasnt really done so thus far. Seems he will be relegated to 4th, UNLESS......lets just hope he is in tip top shape to grab more playing time on 3rd.

If things really pan out on our 3rd line......there simply not even be room for him on the 3rd. Imo.

 

[smoneil]

Wow, what a bump (almost two full years).

 

[Fitzy]

Wow, what a bump (almost two full years).

Now I just wanna know if we got the conditional 4th

 

[Krams]

Thread is old. Hayes talk can be had in the Around the nhl thread