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ftfyreally you would take them over Orr because orr only had 2 cup
ftfyreally you would take them over Orr because orr only had 2 cup
Yeah, I mean, it's not like that was almost 40 years ago or anything...To think prime Gretzky by himself basically almost outscored prime Malkin and Crosby together...
The Great One.
I guess he thinks Beukeboom with 4 cups is more valuable than OrrFor peak - Esposito >> Messier for me. Career maybe you can make a case for Messier, but I still prefer Espo. Not sure how that's relevant to anything I said though.
Kunitz has 4 cups. Is he better than any of them?
I probably have Crosby 5th all-time. Still think all of Lemieux, Orr and Gretzky are a significant tier above, and despite how good Malkin is, I take any of those 3 alone above that duo.
I’m thought I was in the minority here, and I find Malkin a touch overrated because he isn’t as good in the playoffs as the regular season, and he gets hurt a lot. Actually Crosby is hurt a lot too but at least he plays aggressive defense and maintains his play more in the postseason.
I guess I’m going with Gretzky. Changed my mind.
really you would take them over Orr because orr only had 1 cup
Gretzky would be tossing out 200 pt seasons left and right but I get your point, a single dominant player isn’t as impactful in hockey as other sportsGretzky would probably outscore a prime Crosby by about 20-30 points or so (he wouldn't come remotely close to his 80s totals). Is that 20-30 points really worth a prime Malkin?
Gretzky proved he couldn't do it alone in Los Angeles. On the other hand, Sid and Geno won Cups with less than impressive rosters. I think people often overstate the importance of a single player, even one as good as The Great One.
So, even though scoring rates have changed drastically and adjusted point models suggest that Gretzky's best season (85-86) is equivalent to 170 adjusted points (already a bit of an exaggeration), he's going to be "tossing out 200 pt seasons left and right"? I would bet my house Gretzky never sniffs 170 points, let alone 200.Gretzky would be tossing out 200 pt seasons left and right but I get your point, a single dominant player isn’t as impactful in hockey as other sports
Quite easily Crosby and Malkin, one player no matter how good isn't enough to win in today's game, a team built around Crosby and Malkin have won 3 cups in the modern era. If Gretzky ends up in Buffalo or Edmonton he's stuck in oblivion for 10 years.
No player in history has made players around him better than Gretzky.
If Gretzky ends up in Buffalo....Eichel starts churning out ~140 point seasons if he plays on his wing or on the PP. Skinner is no longer a 3 goal player, but back to being a perennial ~40-50 goal guy if he's on Gretzky's line. Dahlin becomes the new Coffey, starts competing for Norris every year. Gretzky is a game changer.
Edmonton? Well, if Gretzky gets to play with Drai and McDavid, that's not even fair.
It's a tough one.
I would go with Gretzky but I see the argument for Crosby-Malkin.
Crosby at his peak was on pace for 132 points in a season and likely would have come very close. Then you add Malkin's 113 point version into the mix.
That's pretty damn good up the middle.
It really comes down to how you think Gretzky's game would translate in the modern NHL. He wouldn't hit 212 points but I do think he would be the best player in the game and likely cross 150 pts in his best year. The man was one of the finest high IQ playmakers in the game and that doesn't change across generations.
It's a tough one.
I would go with Gretzky but I see the argument for Crosby-Malkin.
Crosby at his peak was on pace for 132 points in a season and likely would have come very close. Then you add Malkin's 113 point version into the mix.
That's pretty damn good up the middle.
It really comes down to how you think Gretzky's game would translate in the modern NHL. He wouldn't hit 212 points but I do think he would be the best player in the game and likely cross 150 pts in his best year. The man was one of the finest high IQ playmakers in the game and that doesn't change across generations.