GWT: World Cup - Group D (France and Australia Advance)
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IamNotADancer
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Not saying you are wrong, I trust you know the rules but if that's the case it's an extremely subjective way to call the offside rule.
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I should know better than to expect an american to understand nuance, but sometimes, it's a little of column A and a little of column B...
This is a crazy sport where crazy things happen and the superior side doesn't always win. As a fan of an overachieving team that goes into most matches as the inferior side, 1.FC Union Berlin, it's part of what makes it so fun.
Spare me the poor NA supporter victim complex, please. You're talking to a guy in New York.
I'll need to see this settled in a single-game eliminator match to make the final call, of course.
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Care to quote the IFAB rule about a "push" that isn't a foul but constitutes an infringement that fails to reset a defensive header?
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Brunkmeister
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Probably yes. Also the circumstances with less preparation before this tournament than usual. One thing that haven’t been discussed at all from what i can tell is the certain climate. I know it isn’t extremely hot or anything but still the climate is a little bit different from what Europeans are used to and that could be a slight advantage for teams from the continent.
Oberyn Martell
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it is very subjective like the handball rule for example which just leads to more discussion. We had a similiar situation in bundesliga
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Oh shit lol, thanks
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Anyways. Since you started generalizing european fans with the "european teams" comment, I assumed you wanted to engage in some nationalistic s***-talk...thus my using an archer quote to explain myself...and I didn't think that calling americans easily distracted was particularly harsh given the other options
No hard feelings I hope, nothing serious was intended. And thanks again for catching that, that's been there for years
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Oberyn Martell
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Even without a push a clearing attempt can be an uncontrolled attempt which also would lead to an offside call.
Yes, and that is really not relevant to this situation. Refer to the deflection example in the link below. That is an uncontrolled attempt. This play was absolutely not that.
It seems they interpreted it with this rule re: deliberate versus deflection: A Law 11 Revolution: Deliberate play vs. Deflection
And my verdict is this was a horrible call. Two guys are allowed to contest the ball, that doesn't make the defensive header anything but a deliberate act.
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I mean their starting striker plays in the Japanese second division, and I’d still take him over Haji Wright.
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You mean the guy who plays for a team that has conceded more goals than West Ham and Everton at 16th and 17th? Oh well.
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Watching the replay now, it was a really poor call on the offside. Controlled or not is irrelevant. The key distinction is deliberate.
The Tunisian player clearly deliberately played the ball in an action that was not a instinctive action or an attempt at a save, but rather a deliberate attempt at a clear. The ball was clearly not going into the goal (or reasonable close to it to trigger the "save" part of the rule) and the defender had the opportunity to take a couple steps and set himself. Being involved in a duel with an attacker (who is clearly onside) does not automatically negate it being a deliberate play.
If the defender had chosen to try to chip the header behind himself (to concede a corner) he would have been successful. Instead he tried to get more on the header to full clear it but misjudged it. I don't see how his action is anything but a deliberate play.
Either it should be a foul against the French player (which would be absurdly soft) or no offside.
The Tunisian player clearly deliberately played the ball in an action that was not a instinctive action or an attempt at a save, but rather a deliberate attempt at a clear. The ball was clearly not going into the goal (or reasonable close to it to trigger the "save" part of the rule) and the defender had the opportunity to take a couple steps and set himself. Being involved in a duel with an attacker (who is clearly onside) does not automatically negate it being a deliberate play.
If the defender had chosen to try to chip the header behind himself (to concede a corner) he would have been successful. Instead he tried to get more on the header to full clear it but misjudged it. I don't see how his action is anything but a deliberate play.
Either it should be a foul against the French player (which would be absurdly soft) or no offside.
Gecklund
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That ain’t his fault. He was injured for a bit. Blame Maguire. He sucks. Also the team in 5th.
Would have been higher if we dropped Ronaldo and Maguire earlier too.
Brunkmeister
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A lot of whataboutism there. Maguire isn’t doing bad here so maybe it isn’t all on him? But since Varane seems pretty injury prone you should be worry he might crash again. I feel comfortable Saliba will come back in full shape.
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Bud Twas obviously a joke. I could argue every single one of your points too. They are bad. It’s just not worth it for something that was obviously a joke
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I mean. Next to Virgil is good. Last time I checked you play with at least two CBs
