With Datsyuk coming back soon, convince me he'll be an answer

[Ezekial]

I mean when your third line is a combination of Nyquist-Sheahan-Tatar, you're in pretty good shape.

 

[obey86]

I mean when your third line is a combination of Nyquist-Sheahan-Tatar, you're in pretty good shape.

you from PSD?

 

[RedWingzz]

Pav isn't lighting it up offensively by any means, but at least the team seems to be more balanced as a whole with him back. The record with him in is pretty damn good.

 

[Ezekial]

you from PSD?

Yep that's me. Figured posting on a more active board could be better. I've lurked here for a while.

 

[14ari13]

Datsyuk makes this team a lot better.

I just Re-watched the coyotes game.
Datsyuk was by far the best player.

He dominated all 3 zones.
He steals the puck in DZ
He skates through NZ with ease and authority
He creates havoc in OZ

All this buys the time to his linemates, but also gives confidence to all teammates.

He wins faceoffs and this is big for our style of play.

Watching him and Z and Larkin on the same line is a treat. Hope they wil play some shifts/games together.

 

[14ari13]

They showed how much the team improved since Datsyuk came back.

What they did not show is that almost everybody's numbers went up. I think all our players Are better since he came back. His presence gives them confidence. Look at his faceoffs stat. You might notice that everybody became better on faceoffs since he came back.

Pasha still rocks

 

[Henkka]

Statistically (some kind of advanced) :

First 14 games without Datsyuk:
Goals For/against% = 51.6% (TOP10 in league currently)
Scoring attempts For/against% = 49.5% (TOP18-19 in league compared to Fenwick For%)

These are kind of average numbers. We were kind of lucky (on goaltending) at the start of the season, collected more points we should have earned with those kind stat numbers.

Last 15 games with Datsyuk:
Goals For/against% = 55.3% (TOP5 in league currently) TOP6 teams: MTL, WSH, NYR, DAL, DET, LAK
Scoring attempts For/against% = 54.1% (TOP3 in league currently) TOP6 teams: LAK, DET, CAR, NSH, MTL, CHI

These are contender numbers.

The effect:
Impact at GolssFor%
55.3%/51.6% GoalsFor% = 7.2% more production

Impact at AttemptsFor%
54.1%/49.5% AttemptsFor% = 9.3% more possession

We also should get more production from him. Datsyuk has created hell of an amount of scoring chances his linemates haven't able to use (mostly Richards & Helm). The puck luck will come, if the possession will stay at same level. And I can't see any reason why it shouldn't stay.

Only adding 1 goal to our totals, it matches with the possession. Brad Richards has missed most great scoring chances from Datsyuk feed, so he kind of deserves that extra lucky bounce.

EDIT:

Points percentage without Datsyuk: .607
Points percentage with Datsyuk: .700

.700/.607 = 15.3% more points.

That .700 pace for rest of the season would lead us to 112-point regular season. That's a usual pace for the President's Trophy winner.

And I could say the real effect is more than those mathematical numbers, because the schedule was easier at season start and we got that lucky goaltending.

 

[Run the Jewels]

They showed how much the team improved since Datsyuk came back.

What they did not show is that almost everybody's numbers went up. I think all our players Are better since he came back. His presence gives them confidence. Look at his faceoffs stat. You might notice that everybody became better on faceoffs since he came back.

Pasha still rocks

Absolutely, he's one of the best players in the league. The problem is replacing him as his career winds down. The good news is Larkin is looking great. The bad news is even if he ends up maxing out his potential he still may not approach the greatness of #13. Datsyuk is up there with #9, #19, and #5 as one of the all-time greats.

 

[HadVokounOnFortSt]

Absolutely, he's one of the best players in the league. The problem is replacing him as his career winds down. The good news is Larkin is looking great. The bad news is even if he ends up maxing out his potential he still may not approach the greatness of #13. Datsyuk is up there with #9, #19, and #5 as one of the all-time greats.

Agree but I don't think anyone can approach the greatness of Datsyuk.

 

[odin1981]

Absolutely, he's one of the best players in the league. The problem is replacing him as his career winds down. The good news is Larkin is looking great. The bad news is even if he ends up maxing out his potential he still may not approach the greatness of #13. Datsyuk is up there with #9, #19, and #5 as one of the all-time greats.

We will be waiting a good 10 years to see any player like Dats enter the league let alone our team. Though we did get Dats right as Sergei left. But in all reality ppg selke centers are not common at all. Sure you got the Toews, Kopitars, and Bergeron's. But they generally hover around 55-65 points and that is a huge difference from prime Dats 80-95 a season. And all of them are in there prime right now.

 

[Henkka]

We will be waiting a good 10 years to see any player like Dats enter the league let alone our team. Though we did get Dats right as Sergei left. But in all reality ppg selke centers are not common at all. Sure you got the Toews, Kopitars, and Bergeron's. But they generally hover around 55-65 points and that is a huge difference from prime Dats 80-95 a season. And all of them are in there prime right now.

Dylan Larkin will be put on those Selke-shoes sooner or later. His scoring has been just a plus. He has that great 2-way mentality + suberb skating to handle full 200-feet game. And looks like he can also score and play that Bergeron/Toews -style of game.

Then people will come here and say that Larkin hasn't played at center yet, and yeah, that's the truth. But he has all the tools to be a good two-way centerman (that skating) and has best mentors you can learn that game in Zeta and Dats.

All in all, we don't have maybe ever that kind of individual Datsyuk has been. But we are already going towards a scoring comittee, super-solid deep TOP9. In patirty league, that's a one way for winning. Superstars super-high production leads you only for cap problems. Future winning formula is all relative production against relative caphits in the future. Everything is freaking relative in every position. Talent level vs. value. Then three lines of borderline 1st line talents and 2nd liners would be the way to go.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Dylan Larkin will be put on those Selke-shoes sooner or later. His scoring has been just a plus. He has that great 2-way mentality + suberb skating to handle full 200-feet game. And looks like he can also score and play that Bergeron/Toews -style of game.

Then people will come here and say that Larkin hasn't played at center yet, and yeah, that's the truth. But he has all the tools to be a good two-way centerman (that skating) and has best mentors you can learn that game in Zeta and Dats.

The worst defensive mistakes Dylan has made so far have actually been because he's thinking like a center and not a winger. He likes going deep in the defensive zone to help out, sometimes leaving the point wide open. There's no reason to think he will look worse as a C. As long as he handles the faceoffs he'll be more than fine.

 

[Frk It]

Proof: http://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/detroit-red-wings-pavel-datsyuk-121115

 

[ap3x]

 

[14ari13]

Green was subpar last postseason.

And giveaways are absolutely a sign of being bad defensively. Offensive and defensive games are not black and white as they often go hand and hand with each other. Making smart, responsible plays with or without the puck are a sign of being good defensively and having hockey iq. Likewise, all turnovers are not equal. Look no further than Datsyuk. Part of what made him great defensively was his ability to control the tempo of the game with his puck control and constantly making smart (and often creative) plays with the puck. Likewise, much of his offensive throughout his career was the result of his defensive game and forcing turnovers without the puck.

I guess those are the ones who don't know the difference between regular season and playoffs.
Playoffs are a different animal, well knowledgable fans know it.

Absolutely, he's one of the best players in the league. The problem is replacing him as his career winds down. The good news is Larkin is looking great. The bad news is even if he ends up maxing out his potential he still may not approach the greatness of #13. Datsyuk is up there with #9, #19, and #5 as one of the all-time greats.

Larkin looks very promising.

Thanks man.

What is the best move by Datsyuk?

I love his move behind the net vs blues, when he passes the puck to himself, sends Salvador flying and then passes to devereaux who easily scores.
And Thorne goes:
"Can you believe the move by Datsyuk? Oh mercy!

 

[14ari13]

I found it

 

[Henkka]

We also should get more production from him. Datsyuk has created hell of an amount of scoring chances his linemates haven't able to use (mostly Richards & Helm). The puck luck will come, if the possession will stay at same level. And I can't see any reason why it shouldn't stay.

Only adding 1 goal to our totals, it matches with the possession. Brad Richards has missed most great scoring chances from Datsyuk feed, so he kind of deserves that extra lucky bounce.

Didn't took long, when jinxing that...

If something is missing from Pavel, it's just THE puck luck.

1st period - Green shot on the post on PP, from Datsyuk assist
2nd period - Dats shoots on the post from his own rebound

Chances, chances, chances after chnaces. Who cares about the real production? He is a MACHINE there.

 

[14ari13]

We see how the Habs are sinking without price.
We also see how the wings have been climbing up as Datsyuk came back.
What we need is to get offense, defence, pk,pp, goaltending going at the same time and this team could be rocking.

 

[Vladdy84]

We see how the Habs are sinking without price.
We also see how the wings have been climbing up as Datsyuk came back.
What we need is to get offense, defence, pk,pp, goaltending going at the same time and this team could be rocking.

Nyquist-Z-Gator
Tats-Dats-Larkin
Jurco-Riley-Richards
Helm-Luke-Nosek

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

Dats can be the next Jagr. Dude could play till he's on his death bed and still kick ass.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Hopefully not with us paying him 1st line center money though.

 

[14ari13]

Hopefully not with us paying him 1st line center money though.

He, Z and Larkin can be our 1/2 line centers next 2-3 seasons and then hopefully Larkin can take over. Datsy still dominates games, he makes everyone look better.

Btw Richards has been hot lately, 5 points last 6 games

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

He, Z and Larkin can be our 1/2 line centers next 2-3 seasons and then hopefully Larkin can take over. Datsy still dominates games, he makes everyone look better.

Btw Richards has been hot lately, 5 points last 6 games

Richie has been great, making me look bad. Still have my doubts but don't mind him on Dats win at the moment... maybe but Mantha alongside them?