Blue Jays Discussion: Winter Discontent III: Discontent with a Vengeance

[Eyedea]

That's what I'm thinking. They don't even have the farm to entice someone into trading for him.

Assuming he's not in the Cutch trade, I'd take Pence if we got Bryan Reynolds in the deal.

 

[Woodman19]

Assuming he's not in the Cutch trade, I'd take Pence if we got Bryan Reynolds in the deal.

I was thinking something like that too, it's only a one year commitment.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Where did you hear no Beede or Ramos?

Giants, Pirates Agree To Andrew McCutchen Trade

Looks like Kyle Crick is the headliner?

 

[Eyedea]

Crick isn't a headliner anymore. He's a reliever. I'd assume Suarez/Okert is involved since the Pirates are looking for pitching.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I think this slow offseason might be good news for us next offseason if the trend continues. Teams seem unwilling to dole out big money AND term to older free agents like they used to, and even the very rich teams are avoiding the luxury tax like the plague.

Potentially, makes it more realistic for us to sign Donaldson to a reasonable number and term than in years past. Especially with other stars vying for huge contracts like Machado and Harper, and few teams with real big needs at 3B.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Zobrist cost KC Sean Manaea (1st round pick, #73 prospect in MLB, #3 for KC) and Aaron Brooks. Cespedes cost the Mets Michael Fulmer (1st round pick, #53 prospect in MLB) and Luis Cessa.

Donaldson is far superior to both players, and would therefore cost a higher premium. I would say upward trending, top-100 prospect, decent second piece, plus a further away third piece. (ex. Cardinals, Flaherty + Hicks + Carlson).

I agree to some extent, but that's market dependent. The right team (a playoff team) has to have the need, and the type of pieces we would want. Also if there's only one team in need (St. Louis), and they're not desperate, they may play hardball and not bid against themselves.

 

[Kurtz]

I think this slow offseason might be good news for us next offseason if the trend continues. Teams seem unwilling to dole out big money AND term to older free agents like they used to, and even the very rich teams are avoiding the luxury tax like the plague.

Potentially, makes it more realistic for us to sign Donaldson to a reasonable number and term than in years past. Especially with other stars vying for huge contracts like Machado and Harper, and few teams with real big needs at 3B.

You've got a good point, but damn, that's a lot of risk - and Shatkins don't like risk. Maybe we could pull off a similar type of maneuver to that of the Yankees with Chapman.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I'd have to disagree here. Yes, Cespedes brought back a lot in a trade, but we have a more recent precedent of JD Martinez bringing back next to nothing at the TD.

It's just logical that a full season of Donaldson should be worth considerably more in a trade than a fraction of the season. In addition, the market for JD may simply shrink come the deadline if some of his potential suitors find themselves out of the race (granted, a contender may lose their 3B for the season and the market for him may actually expand, but this is less likely I think).

Forgot about that. Yeah, that was an underwhelming return, and the Cutch deal is looking similar until we hear more names.

 

[Discoverer]

You've got a good point, but damn, that's a lot of risk - and Shatkins don't like risk. Maybe we could pull off a similar type of maneuver to that of the Yankees with Chapman.

Donaldson on a one-year deal in 2018 is a hell of a lot of risk.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

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[TheMadHatTrick]

The Pirates aren't even getting Chris Shaw, which means that despite trading their 2 stars, they won't get a top 100 prospects for either of them.

I wonder if this drops the price for Josh Harrison? We could probably get him for a prospect outside our top 10. Would be a great add.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Crick isn't a headliner anymore. He's a reliever. I'd assume Suarez/Okert is involved since the Pirates are looking for pitching.

I meant it facetiously.

 

[hoc123]

I wonder if this drops the price for Josh Harrison? We could probably get him for a prospect outside our top 10. Would be a great add.

We could, but it would only really work if we traded Pearce back. Otherwise we take 10 million dollars and will have trouble finding an outfielder.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I wonder if this drops the price for Josh Harrison? We could probably get him for a prospect outside our top 10. Would be a great add.

No longer a need for him.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Not Beede or Ramos either. So a non-top prospect from a horrible farm system.

The question then is....would they have gotten more for him at the deadline?

 

[Eyedea]

I think Reynolds is a top 100 guy anyway. It's something for Cutch, but obviously it's pretty bad because he was such a big time piece for them and was with the organization for over 10 years.

 

[Nineteen67]

Surely Toronto can offer Cain more than Milwaukee. I get him signing in Texas, KC, or Chicago, but Milwaukee?

 

[hoc123]

Surely Toronto can offer Cain more than Milwaukee. I get him signing in Texas, KC, or Chicago, but Milwaukee?

Even Texas is weird, they have a decent CF and they need SP more then a CF.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Assuming he's not in the Cutch trade, I'd take Pence if we got Bryan Reynolds in the deal.

Reynolds is in the Cutch deal

 

[Nineteen67]

Even Texas is weird, they have a decent CF and they need SP more then a CF.

True. I can see him wanting to live in Dallas over Milwaukee or Toronto assuming the money and term are similar.

 

[Anthrax442]

We do have the stupid turf noone wants to play on

 

[Schenn]

True. I can see him wanting to live in Dallas over Milwaukee or Toronto assuming the money and term are similar.

Can you tell us what kind of cake he likes to? You seem to know him personally.

 

[Nineteen67]

Can you tell us what kind of cake he likes to? You seem to know him personally.

Strawberry. Since he’s from Georgia he probably prefers Mawmaw’s fried peach pie.

 

[TF97]

Personally, I really like Milwaukee going forward, so I can see him preferring to sign there over Texas or Toronto. But if he signs with Texas, he will get lots of action in CF, even if most of would be turning around and giving a courtesy look to the bombs that pitching staff will surely allow in that ballpark.

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Personally, I really like Milwaukee going forward, so I can see him preferring to sign there over Texas or Toronto. But if he signs with Texas, he will get lots of action in CF, even if most of would be turning around and giving a courtesy look to the bombs that pitching staff will surely allow in that ballpark.

Milwaukee is a small market though. If I was a free agent I'd want to go somewhere that has a good farm system and is willing to have a large payroll. How much of payroll would Cain take up on the Brewers compared to the Jays, Rangers, etc? No way I'd want to take up 20-25% of payroll if I was hoping to win more titles.