Speculation: Wings spare parts at the deadline (Actually, the tank thread)

[SirloinUB]

I wonder if there is a 3 way trade out there involving Bertuzzi and Meier?

To Edm/NJD/NYR: Bertuzzi (50% retained)

To SJ: 3rd team's 1st + Wallinder + Detroit/NYI 2023 2nd + (JP/?)

To Detroit: Meier


Of course this is more of a base and will need to be modified for an actual deal to happen.

Edm would have to send out Puljuarvi to either SJ or Det. I'm inclined to say SJ can have him. If they view it as more of a cap dump Id give JP a chance in Detroit.

Would SJ need another piece to get it done? Roster player? Another pick? Zadina, Veleno, Fabbri, all offer something different. Losing Fabbri/Veleno would sting but I would be open minded to make a deal work.

I suspect the 3rd team may prefer going for Meier themselves but if that proves too costly perhaps this could fit as a win-win-win.

 

[DoMakc]

I'd be cool with one young roster player, preferably not Rasmussen, our first (lottery win protected) a prospect not named Ed or Kasper and maybe a lesser pick if need be.

I don't see Vrana having any value for the Sharks because they'd rather just keep Timo then.

And depth is the one thing we don't need to trade for. As is evident by your offering 3 players we could replace from within.

Well, Vrana with 50% retained salary in his contract year next year is a nice rebound candidate, who can be flipped at the next deadline for additional assets - that has some value.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

I wonder if there is a 3 way trade out there involving Bertuzzi and Meier?

To Edm/NJD/NYR: Bertuzzi (50% retained)

To SJ: 3rd team's 1st + Wallinder + Detroit/NYI 2023 2nd + (JP/?)

To Detroit: Meier


Of course this is more of a base and will need to be modified for an actual deal to happen.

Edm would have to send out Puljuarvi to either SJ or Det. I'm inclined to say SJ can have him. If they view it as more of a cap dump Id give JP a chance in Detroit.

Would SJ need another piece to get it done? Roster player? Another pick? Zadina, Veleno, Fabbri, all offer something different. Losing Fabbri/Veleno would sting but I would be open minded to make a deal work.

I suspect the 3rd team may prefer going for Meier themselves but if that proves too costly perhaps this could fit as a win-win-win.

Wings would have to give more, likely a lot more.

Giving up UFA Bertuzzi, Wallinder and 2nd does not get us anywhere near Meier.

 

[norrisnick]

Wings would have to give more, likely a lot more.

Giving up UFA Bertuzzi, Wallinder and 2nd does not get us anywhere near Meier.

It all hinges on whether Bertuzzi fetches a 1st if he stays hot.

STL is apparently in play for Meier. ROR and Tarasenko don't have a hope in hell of fetching Meier. The two 1st round picks they got for them? That's a hefty offer that would be hard for anyone else to match.

 

[SirloinUB]

Wings would have to give more, likely a lot more.

Giving up UFA Bertuzzi, Wallinder and 2nd does not get us anywhere near Meier.

While I get where you are coming from are the Sharks going to get a better deal than a 1st + a top prospect + 2nd + a decent roster piece? It is pretty comparable to the Eichel trade (granted there were health factors there but Meier has his own set of factors).

I am obviously assuming a team will value Bertuzzi at a 2023 1st - we'll see.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

No, that’s not what it boils down to.

And frankly, there is gonna be a Bedard every couple years. You think there won’t be… but honestly, the top of the draft is gigantic hits more than it is flops.

Give me the playoff chance and then the possibility of us scooting up with a bullshit lottery win after finishing just out of the playoffs. We tried the whole “sucking really bad” thing. Let’s try something different

Can only move up 10 places.

Even then the odds are suspect.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Can only move up 10 places.

Even then the odds are suspect.

My point is though I’d rather the team now play their asses off and then hey, maybe we pick 4th as the 14th worst or something. And then I’ll feel way better than if we f***ed off and ended up with 4OA because we tanked

 

[norrisnick]

So... Do we send down a D when Ray gets back?

Do we institute a rolling forward rotation to keep them all fresh?

We legitimately have too many NHL level forwards.

Unless Fabbri's leg died again and this whole post is moot....

 

[TheOctopusKid]

What's the move here at the deadline then if this isn't a simple sell? I highly doubt Yzerman would offload picks at this point for veteran depth given a) we want that time to go to our kids so they can get some playoff experience b) we need the picks still to keep fleshing out our pipeline ideally, so spending them on rentals seems foolhardy.

Hockey trades seem like an obvious answer?

Meir? Chychrun? Who else is out there that is young enough, and good enough to add to the core where spending 1st, + Prospects, +Roster makes sense?

 

[lilidk]

So... Do we send down a D when Ray gets back?

Do we institute a rolling forward rotation to keep them all fresh?

We legitimately have too many NHL level forwards.

Unless Fabbri's leg died again and this whole post is moot....

Yzerman needs to Trade away some, sooner is better

 

[norrisnick]

What's the move here at the deadline then if this isn't a simple sell? I highly doubt Yzerman would offload picks at this point for veteran depth given a) we want that time to go to our kids so they can get some playoff experience b) we need the picks still to keep fleshing out our pipeline ideally, so spending them on rentals seems foolhardy.

Hockey trades seem like an obvious answer?

Meir? Chychrun? Who else is out there that is young enough, and good enough to add to the core where spending 1st, + Prospects, +Roster makes sense?

Nothing that isn't a legit top 6 forward. We have depth forwards falling out our ass right now. D we are good.

If there is a play where we can snag Meier without crippling us (ie multiple 1sts or Kasper/Ed), that's a play we need to pursue.

Also, A's and veteran voice in the room and on the bench or not, Perron at this point needs some reduced minutes and ditto Chiarot.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Nothing that isn't a legit top 6 forward. We have depth forwards falling out our ass right now. D we are good.

I think it's a step beyond that, I think it needs to be a upside Top 6 Forward, or an upside Top Pair D whose still young enough to be major contributor between the two cores (specifically 20yr - 28yr); like...adding Patrick Kane at this point, despite being a Top 6 Winger, makes zero sense

 

[norrisnick]

Yzerman needs to Trade away some, sooner is better

Likely, but I'd like him to add first if he plans on adding. Easier to sell trading off a guy to the room if you can introduce the newbie first.

I think it's a step beyond that, I think it needs to be a upside Top 6 Forward, or an upside Top Pair D whose still young enough to be major contributor between the two cores (specifically 20yr - 28yr); like...adding Patrick Kane at this point, despite being a Top 6 Winger, makes zero sense

Exactly. Yeah, no way anything we add should be 30.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Any chance Calgary would cough up Lindholm?

 

[MVPete96]

What's the move here at the deadline then if this isn't a simple sell? I highly doubt Yzerman would offload picks at this point for veteran depth given a) we want that time to go to our kids so they can get some playoff experience b) we need the picks still to keep fleshing out our pipeline ideally, so spending them on rentals seems foolhardy.

Hockey trades seem like an obvious answer?

Meir? Chychrun? Who else is out there that is young enough, and good enough to add to the core where spending 1st, + Prospects, +Roster makes sense?

nah any buying will happen in off-season. I still think Bert gets moved if someone offers a first. Wings have basically played the entire season without him. Could also see them being a broker for a contender and getting an extra pick that way. Wallman gets re-signed for $3x3

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Come to think of it, Horvat would of been perfect for this team now. Imagine Bergy/Horvat/Vrana 2nd line.

Damn Islanders, stupid old Lou.

 

[Oddbob]

The 'Yotes are 3-0-2 since sitting lil Chychy

To be fair, they have had lots of practice over the years of playing without him!

 

[Geezer WC]

So... Do we send down a D when Ray gets back?

Yes. Oesterle, Hagg and Lindstrom are a revolving door. One has to go.

 

[Roy S]

I think it is Meier or bust in terms of adding pieces. He's also not a rental so it'd be perfect. It would make the team better the rest of this season and in future years as well.

 

[Snuggs]

I'd like Meier but I think people are vastly underestimating the cost.

Likely two 1st rdp's, prospects, player, imo. Something like this.

Red Wings trade F Filip Zadina, LHD William Wallinder, Carter Mazuer, 1st round pick, and a 1st round pick in 2024.

Sharks trade F Timo Meier.

If Greier can't get something like that then I think he'll pay him the QO, and do this again next season. They could keep him and get good quick(if they move Karlsson).

 

[Henkka]

Timo Meier smells just too much for a New Jersey Devil.

There's also too much Swiss cheese connection at New Jersey. Meier will probably want to join that rising contender, with Swiss countrymen Hischier and Siegenthaler, and lock himself there. Also their backup goalie is Swiss, so it's a bit community there.

Think I smelled the Devil.

 

[izlez]

If the top teams continue loading up and the Jeannot deal is an indication of a big-time sellers market, I'd still prefer to try to keep Bertuzzi and focus on shopping a guy like Perron. He seems like a good piece for a contender to go after to help them make the push this year and next that could get a nice return for us with retention

 

[Snuggs]

Think I smelled the Devil.

Or the Swiss cheese.... lol.

 

[Oddbob]

Glad to at least see some Wing news with the new contract for Walman and that they are shopping Tyler again. I like that Steve keeps a tight ship, but not hearing any rumours makes it kind of bland as we are never in the rumours to be trading anyone or getting anyone.

 

[SirloinUB]

The below is speculation from The Hockey Writers based on Dreger reporting Yzerman wants a 1st + for Bertuzzi.

Dreger noted that the Red Wings are looking for a first-round pick and more in any move centering around Bertuzzi. When looking at some of the returns sellers have gotten this season, this is a reasonable request. Thus, a potential package Boston could send to Detroit for him could include their 2024 first-round pick, 2026 second-round pick, 2024 fourth-round pick, Johnny Beecher, and Mike Reilly. With that, the Red Wings would need to retain half of Bertuzzi’s $4.75 million cap hit. The Bruins could also get a third team to retain 25% of Bertuzzi’s salary by sending them their 2024 fifth-round pick.