Recalled/Assigned: Wings send Svechnikov back to GR

[FireBird71]

The wrong players are in the doghouse right now. I’ve liked a lot of moves so far, but I’m totally lost between this and Cholowski being scratched.

This is part of our master plan to win the meaningless Calder Cup every season.

Maybe meaningless to you

 

[Gniwder]

I think DLR is the definition of a warm body, sure he holds his own as a 4th line center. Not saying Erne is a world beater but DLR, was waived by Montreal, and I don't think many teams if any would be looking his services if we were to waive him tomorrow. Nothing against the kid, just don't see him bringing much in terms of offense or grit, we have players that already occupy that role.

4 points is more than 2/3 of the team even though he doesn't get PP time, and if Abby could hit the net he would have even more. Not to mention his points dried up when Blash took Helm off the 4th line and stuck guys on there who can't score. He's had some nice feeds to guys who can't finish.

QUite frankly, I think Blash should promote DLR to 3C and have No Point Nielsen to the 4th.

That's coming from a guy that wasn't a DLR fan last season. I think he's playing much better this season.

 

[saska sault]

4 points is more than 2/3 of the team even though he doesn't get PP time, and if Abby could hit the net he would have even more. Not to mention his points dried up when Blash took Helm off the 4th line and stuck guys on there who can't score. He's had some nice feeds to guys who can't finish.

QUite frankly, I think Blash should promote DLR to 3C and have No Point Nielsen to the 4th.

That's coming from a guy that wasn't a DLR fan last season. I think he's playing much better this season.

I do agree he looks improved from last year and at this point I would happily have him over Nielsen or Filp, I just imagine that will never happen because of salaries and how it looks. Not that I agree, if lines were based on production and not salaries, most fans wouldn't have a lot of issues with Blash. I'm just thinking since some players we could only dream of being benched or demoted, I'd rather DLR or one of the other young guys gone and Svech in.

 

[Gniwder]

I do agree he looks improved from last year and at this point I would happily have him over Nielsen or Filp, I just imagine that will never happen because of salaries and how it looks. Not that I agree, if lines were based on production and not salaries, most fans wouldn't have a lot of issues with Blash. I'm just thinking since some players we could only dream of being benched or demoted, I'd rather DLR or one of the other young guys gone and Svech in.

DLR centers the 4th line, that's not a role Svech is ever going to play. Hirose, Ehn, and Erne are playing middle six wingers, it's one of them that needs to be bumped down or sat. Those 3 have a combined goal total of zero.

 

[Oddbob]

This is the Cholowski thing in Vancouver last year all over again. Now I get Cholo needed to sit last year, but you could have played him that game in Vancouver with all his family at the game and then sat him or sent him down. Svech has looked pretty good in the many many minutes he gets out there, what is it 7 min/120? Blashill seems to like being a dick to young kids in the excuse of "teaching moments". Hirose, Daley and Bowey all shouldn't be playing, so Cholo or Svech being "bad" or needing a "lesson" is idiotic. I also say this as one who applauded him sending messages to Mantha and AA who actually needed those lessons, because they both had/have compete level problems at times, something Svech and Cholo do not have.

 

[Mlotek]

The wrong players are in the doghouse right now. I’ve liked a lot of moves so far, but I’m totally lost between this and Cholowski being scratched.

Cholo scratch makes sense, he hasn't been playing great defensively.

Lots of small mistakes, positioning, missed coverages.

For Cholo a 1 game scratch is not a big deal, now if it becomes a persistant issue than we have a problem. More of a wakeup call for him.

 

[ThankGord]

Without being cynical, the only reason I can think of for them doing this to Svech is that his knee isn't 100% yet. That would explain why he got so few minutes when he was dressed and why they feel he's better off playing against lesser competition in the AHL. I thought he was playing great during the handful of minutes he got.

 

[2xJack]

Without being cynical, the only reason I can think of for them doing this to Svech is that his knee isn't 100% yet. That would explain why he got so few minutes when he was dressed and why they feel he's better off playing against lesser competition in the AHL. I thought he was playing great during the handful of minutes he got.

I don't believe the knee is an issue, at all. If it was he wouldn't be playing.

The simple and only explanation for sending Svech down is that he was not getting enough minutes or used in the right circumstances to grow and thrive in Detroit. So, he's being sent to GR where he will play 20+ minutes a night, get PP time and be asked to carry the water. That's where he'll earn his spot on the Wings.

 

[ThankGord]

I don't believe the knee is an issue, at all. If it was he wouldn't be playing.

The simple and only explanation for sending Svech down is that he was not getting enough minutes or used in the right circumstances to grow and thrive in Detroit. So, he's being sent to GR where he will play 20+ minutes a night, get PP time and be asked to carry the water. That's where he'll earn his spot on the Wings.

I understand that, but he played well in the limited time he got with Detroit, why not give him more ice time?

 

[newfy]

Article from Helene St James today doent mention anything about him still being sore or hurt, just sent down because he wasnt getting minutes. Blashill made it sound like he wasnt doing enough shift to shift to get minutes in the NHL

 

[2xJack]

I understand that, but he played well in the limited time he got with Detroit, why not give him more ice time?

Coach's decision is my assumption. I agree he's played well and I would have liked to see him given a look in a bigger role. I'm thinking that between Hirose's work on the PP and the arrival of Perlini, the chances that Blashill was going to give Svech a bigger role were very small. Svech can be sent to GR, Perlini cannot.

I think he'll play his way back to Detroit this season. In my view, both Svech and Ramussen are NHL caliber, and are in fact better than some players with the Wings. The problem is those are top six guys and maybe not quite ready to slot into that role full time in the NHL.

 

[ThankGord]

Coach's decision is my assumption. I agree he's played well and I would have liked to see him given a look in a bigger role. I'm thinking that between Hirose's work on the PP and the arrival of Perlini, the chances that Blashill was going to give Svech a bigger role were very small. Svech can be sent to GR, Perlini cannot.

I think he'll play his way back to Detroit this season. In my view, both Svech and Ramussen are NHL caliber, and are in fact better than some players with the Wings. The problem is those are top six guys and maybe not quite ready to slot into that role full time in the NHL.

For sure, I see the benefit of getting top line minutes in the AHL over bottom line minutes in the NHL but I would've liked to see top six minutes for Svech considering there are a couple players in our top six who aren't cutting it lately IMO. Perlini takes that chance away from Svech/Ras right now though and I'm cool with that. I think Perlini could still get it together and be a top six guy.

 

[Gniwder]

This is the Cholowski thing in Vancouver last year all over again. Now I get Cholo needed to sit last year, but you could have played him that game in Vancouver with all his family at the game and then sat him or sent him down. Svech has looked pretty good in the many many minutes he gets out there, what is it 7 min/120? Blashill seems to like being a dick to young kids in the excuse of "teaching moments". Hirose, Daley and Bowey all shouldn't be playing, so Cholo or Svech being "bad" or needing a "lesson" is idiotic. I also say this as one who applauded him sending messages to Mantha and AA who actually needed those lessons, because they both had/have compete level problems at times, something Svech and Cholo do not have.

I disagree on Bowey. The team needs to make a decision on him both in terms of the next contract (he's got one more RFA season) as well as if he's in the long term plans for the team (1 yr QO or longer term contract at the end of the season?) So he has to play for the team to evaluate him. Cholo is signed through next season, so the team has a little more time to evaluate him.

By that logic though, you'd think they'd keep Svech with the team and send Hirose down, but there's no consistency in logic with this team.

 

[2xJack]

I disagree on Bowey. The team needs to make a decision on him both in terms of the next contract (he's got one more RFA season) as well as if he's in the long term plans for the team (1 yr QO or longer term contract at the end of the season?) So he has to play for the team to evaluate him. Cholo is signed through next season, so the team has a little more time to evaluate him.

By that logic though, you'd think they'd keep Svech with the team and send Hirose down, but there's no consistency in logic with this team.

There's a reason to keep Hirose that is logical. He is the only player on the team doing anything on the PP. He's got 5 assists on the season, all with the man advantage. No other player on the roster has more than 2 PP assists. Our PP is already really bad, I shudder to think what it would look like without Hirose. This is also how Blashill is treating him now, as a PP specialist. Hirose is under 10 minutes a game at 5 on 5 but averaging almost 3 minutes a game on the PP. It stands out when you sort the roster by TOI.

If we're going to point the finger at players that are not pulling their weight then AA and Nielsen are much more glaring. AA has zero goals on the season and is a team worst -12. His Corsi numbers are brutal. As for Nielsen, just buy him out already. Of the huge collection of really bad KH signings, Nielsen is among the worst.

 

[newfy]

For sure, I see the benefit of getting top line minutes in the AHL over bottom line minutes in the NHL but I would've liked to see top six minutes for Svech considering there are a couple players in our top six who aren't cutting it lately IMO. Perlini takes that chance away from Svech/Ras right now though and I'm cool with that. I think Perlini could still get it together and be a top six guy.

Yeah theres no need to keep guys with the wings this season if they have no one to play with. A few games here and there so they get a taste of the NHL and know what to work on but having 5 first rounders all in GR together makes a lot more sense. Ras gets a year to biuld his confidence offensively and put on muscle, Svech gets some time to gget his legs back under him and some confidence as well.

I would've like Svech to get more opportunity given how some guys are playing and he was already up anyways but if Blashill is goingt o be that stubborn I'm glad hes sent down.

 

[Oddbob]

I disagree on Bowey. The team needs to make a decision on him both in terms of the next contract (he's got one more RFA season) as well as if he's in the long term plans for the team (1 yr QO or longer term contract at the end of the season?) So he has to play for the team to evaluate him. Cholo is signed through next season, so the team has a little more time to evaluate him.

By that logic though, you'd think they'd keep Svech with the team and send Hirose down, but there's no consistency in logic with this team.

I don't know Bowey just doesn't do much out there. He isn't overly physical, isn't putting up points, and is often out of position, with skating seeming right now to be his only plus. He seems like a 7-8-9 guy to me and he doesn't seem like he has more room to get better.

 

[Winger98]

There's a reason to keep Hirose that is logical. He is the only player on the team doing anything on the PP. He's got 5 assists on the season, all with the man advantage. No other player on the roster has more than 2 PP assists. Our PP is already really bad, I shudder to think what it would look like without Hirose. This is also how Blashill is treating him now, as a PP specialist. Hirose is under 10 minutes a game at 5 on 5 but averaging almost 3 minutes a game on the PP. It stands out when you sort the roster by TOI.

If we're going to point the finger at players that are not pulling their weight then AA and Nielsen are much more glaring. AA has zero goals on the season and is a team worst -12. His Corsi numbers are brutal. As for Nielsen, just buy him out already. Of the huge collection of really bad KH signings, Nielsen is among the worst.

We don't save enough to make it worthwhile. With how little we save, I'd rather just bury him in GR if his roster spot is needed that badly. Or eat a chunk of his salary to make a trade happen.

 

[Lil Bert]

theres so many dullard egomaniacs metro detroit these days its terrible , should try driving on these roads crawling with them racing around and brainless . ego tripping wing fans here are a good example as they display no respect for steve yzermans opinions on how to run a hockey team , they know better than steve yzerman and everybody else on every topic !

Was that even English?

 

[Gniwder]

I don't know Bowey just doesn't do much out there. He isn't overly physical, isn't putting up points, and is often out of position, with skating seeming right now to be his only plus. He seems like a 7-8-9 guy to me and he doesn't seem like he has more room to get better.

The comparison is Brendan Smith, all the tools and no toolbox. Even if he winds up being #7, he still needs playing time so that decision can be made.

The big problem is his on ice vision, he seems to get pre-occupied with the guy who has the puck and will let opponents get behind him. We have to see if that can be corrected, if not he's probably gonna get a QO and no further extension.

 

[RedMenace]

The comparison is Brendan Smith, all the tools and no toolbox.

As an aside, I never quite understood this. If a player has the physical skills and not the smarts, shouldn't it be the other way around?

 

[Gniwder]

As an aside, I never quite understood this. If a player has the physical skills and not the smarts, shouldn't it be the other way around?

The toolbox (hockey IQ) is the ability to put all the tools together. It's a saying, I didn't invent it.

Maybe a counter example would help, let's look at Hirose. He's obviously missing a tool, which is physicality. He simply isn't strong enough. You can play hockey missing a tool, but if you're missing the toolbox, you better be a goalie or an enforcer.

 

[RedMenace]

It's a saying, I didn't invent it.

Oh, I know you didn’t.

I mean, I get it, but sometimes my brain takes a hard turn and something that should obviously make sense doesn’t. I think that’s what happened here, a momentary lapse of logic that is now immortalized for all to see and ridicule.

It’s one of the reasons I’m terrible at math.

Oh well, sorry for the thread derailment.

 

[deca guard]

As an aside, I never quite understood this. If a player has the physical skills and not the smarts, shouldn't it be the other way around?

im so happy somebody else is confused by this like ive always been ,
ive spent countless hours during games trying to make sense of it to no avail

 

[Ezekial]

You have all the tools (physical attributes/ability) but you don't have the toolbox (hockey IQ/hockey sense) to keep it organized(play system hockey at a high level).

 

[newfy]

Assist and fight through 2 periods in his return to Grand Rapids tonight so far