Was very happy to see Canada get bounced with no medal, after running up the score against lowly Denmark. 14-0? C’mon man. They lost to Kazakhstan tonight. Comtois diving up 10-0. Karmas a b, IMO. Not going to criticize 17-19 year olds too much, but Canada’s coach did them no favors this tournament. I understand there is more pressure on the Canadian kids, with how hardcore their fans are and with the tourney in Canada. But, to me, it seemed like they were all playing to not make any mistakes. And the penalty shot choice... not a good one. Credit to Finland, they carried the play most of the game, and DiPietro kept Canada in it. Not gonna lie tho, love seeing teams beat Canada at “their game”. Theres 4-5 countries that have caught up to Hockey Canada. IMO.
Prospect Info: Wings prospects at the WJC
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It’s almost like we wanted zadina to try to do everything on his own again. Just forget everything he learned in the A and go back to doing moves that only work against kids.
Sure I wanted more out of him, but he looked mature out there and you could tell his been working on his overall game.
The speed/explosiveness is a legit concern though.
Sure I wanted more out of him, but he looked mature out there and you could tell his been working on his overall game.
The speed/explosiveness is a legit concern though.
Why are Habs fans so salty about Zadina. Everywhere you go to discuss the kid is filled with Habs fans talking him down and basically mocking the pick. It's ridiculous.
RabidBadger
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Habs had the #3 pick this year and were, theoretically, poised to pick Zadina, as he was the consensus 3rd overall. Zadina told Habs brass if they didn't pick him he would be filling their nets with goals. He was being cheeky, but I guess it didn't sit well with a ill-humored fan base.
InjuredChoker
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The Rasmussen prospect thread was pretty much ruined by folks (many of whom were Red Wings fans) saying how bad a pick he was and how much better Vilardi is/will be. Same with Cholowski. They are very different scenarios than Zadina.
Overall not the most impressive tournament for the Red Wings prospects but this was the most exposure I’ve had to these guys all year long so I enjoyed it all the same. With the disclaimer that short tournaments don drastically sway my opinion, here are my takeaways:
Filip Zadina: Matching last years production was a big ask, yet even with tempered expectations his numbers are disappointing. On the other hand, I thought Zadina played well. Let’s remember he is a developing sniper and even the best snipers go through slumps. I thought his skill was obvious and as others mentioned he has shown development off the puck. At points I felt Opposing defenders were able to key in on him too easily. Part of this would be the quality of his linemates but excelling while being an identified weapon will be something for him to work on. His tournament kind of remind me of Larkin’s sophomore NHL season where tough puck luck and heightened defensive attention led to a less than desired outcome. Still, I believe in him. His work ethic and skill should take him a long way. I hope so anyway.
Joe Veleno: Easily the most disappointing tournament for me personally. I should add that I haven’t really seen much of Veleno and his numbers in the Q have probably generated unfair expectations on my part. While I wasn’t expecting him to rip it up per se, I did expect him to be a trusted player that would work his way up the lineup if given the opportunity. As one of the younger players on the team he has lots of room for growth, hopefully this was a great learning experience for the kid.
Jared McIsaac: I liked what I saw and probably the most impressive relative to my own expectations. He was pigeoned holed into the defensive specialist role but given some of the other talent on the roster it’s probably fair. As one of the youngest dmen he was heavily trusted on the PK. It will be interesting to see what kind of role he gets next year if he returns to the team. I’d like to see some offensive growth to round out his two way game. He played physical and is clearly a good skater; I like the package.
Melte Setkov: honestly, the prospect I watched the least. I was liked his fiesty-ness. He seemed very competitive on an overmatched team. If he can positively channel some of that fire he might turn into a player yet.
Filip Zadina: Matching last years production was a big ask, yet even with tempered expectations his numbers are disappointing. On the other hand, I thought Zadina played well. Let’s remember he is a developing sniper and even the best snipers go through slumps. I thought his skill was obvious and as others mentioned he has shown development off the puck. At points I felt Opposing defenders were able to key in on him too easily. Part of this would be the quality of his linemates but excelling while being an identified weapon will be something for him to work on. His tournament kind of remind me of Larkin’s sophomore NHL season where tough puck luck and heightened defensive attention led to a less than desired outcome. Still, I believe in him. His work ethic and skill should take him a long way. I hope so anyway.
Joe Veleno: Easily the most disappointing tournament for me personally. I should add that I haven’t really seen much of Veleno and his numbers in the Q have probably generated unfair expectations on my part. While I wasn’t expecting him to rip it up per se, I did expect him to be a trusted player that would work his way up the lineup if given the opportunity. As one of the younger players on the team he has lots of room for growth, hopefully this was a great learning experience for the kid.
Jared McIsaac: I liked what I saw and probably the most impressive relative to my own expectations. He was pigeoned holed into the defensive specialist role but given some of the other talent on the roster it’s probably fair. As one of the youngest dmen he was heavily trusted on the PK. It will be interesting to see what kind of role he gets next year if he returns to the team. I’d like to see some offensive growth to round out his two way game. He played physical and is clearly a good skater; I like the package.
Melte Setkov: honestly, the prospect I watched the least. I was liked his fiesty-ness. He seemed very competitive on an overmatched team. If he can positively channel some of that fire he might turn into a player yet.
Fiestyness... WHAT?!
You should have skipped out on this quote, cause you obviously didn't see more than a few shifts of this guy. He will never ever again be called fiesty.
Setkov was weak the whole tourny except a few rushes near the end of the last game and a few shots from the blueline. He was one of the main reasons Denmark did so poorly. He played way too many minutes and kept making bad passes, losing puck battles, losing position and what have we?
His hockey IQ is below zero, but I do understand why just watching a few seconds of his big frame and nice skating and slick hands will make you think he can do something. He just can't grasp hockey, that's all. He tries to be Erik Karlsson, but he sees nothing and his passing abilities are off the chart bad. He can't hit and just doesn't see the lines and the game that is unfolding around him.
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While teams in this tournament have come along way skillwise and structurally, how many countries have AT LEAST a full line of players that are in the NHL and not released by their teams???
I do agree many countries have made unbelievable strides in development and probably have better models but Canada consistently has anywhere from what 3-7 eligible players that don’t go because of playing at the highest possible level in the world.
Uhhm not really sure what to say other than it seems you have miss understood the word fiesty.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/feisty
When I say I was surprised at how fiesty he was, it meant he played with some edge, was willing to battle physically, didn’t seem to take any shit. He Took some penalties I was not a fan of and seemed to make some mistakes from trying to do too much, yet he played hard. Setkov isn’t a prospect I have much expectations for but he definitely looked fiesty to me.
You don’t have to agree but Bad passing, hockey IQ, skating and slick hands have literally nothing to do with being fiesty.
I said caught up.. didn’t say surpassed. Team Canada used to be as dominant as Team USA is in basketball. That’s not the case anymore. IMO. Not stating facts here, stating opinions.
Unfriendly Ghost
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As someone who watched all the games, I think you're being too harsh. Veleno played well in the few chances he got, but was never allowed to move up—even when he deserved it. His coach was dead set on playing the same guys 20 minutes a night, and they did that to the bitter end, which IMO is what got them eliminated. This is the same guy who spent most of the tournament benching Lafreniere, so it's not like his brilliance is firmly established.
Like to give you an example of how coaching decisions went, Veleno was really good against the Czechs. He had some awesome rushes and looked like one of their more dangerous forwards. He set up a nice goal by Entwhistle that night. Do you know where he played the next game? He wasn't even on a line. He was the spare forward. There just wasn't any earning icetime on that team. Hunter already knew what he wanted to do.
Yeah, see, I did not misunderstand. He absolutely won't be called that ever again.
You cannot have seen more than a few shifts and perhaps he was frustrated in those shifts, but he is famous for not using that big frame for anything physical. The only slightly feisty moves from him is when he gets frustrated and tries to do too much and winds up getting caught out of position from that.
In fact some of those who see him play often has discussed if he would be able to become more physical at some point and learn to focus on defense first, because he often seems to just float around when the other team has the puck and just daydreaming about the moment when he finally will have the puck on the tape, and again be Erik Karlsson just to go flying over the ice.
lhsgolf19
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Btw, I'm a huge UM Fan... People Complaining about Zadina's tourney... Quinn Hughes only had 2 Assists the entire tournament so it's not all bad, since he was probably the pick if Zadina was gone.
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Great game, tough loss as a USA hockey fan, but congratulations to Finland. Well earned.
Unfriendly Ghost
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The pick was supposedly Evan Bouchard, I believe. It came out the week after the draft or so.
lhsgolf19
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I knew it was probably him or Hughes... I missed that report on Bouchard... Thanks
I don’t think any player really stood out to me during the world juniors. No one really dominated.
RabidBadger
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Ryan Poehling had a great tournament until the last two games. He vanished when Hughes came back...Hughes jinxed us!
Great job by Finland. I expected them to win tonight and I posted that before the game in the Wjc thread. I'm not going to say I wasn't disappointed by the waived off goal by Wahlstrom, though.
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^^some decent undrafted players here from the WJC.
MTL had some impact players:
Poehling (named best F of tournament, USA/Silver)
Primeau (backstopped USA/Silver)
Alexander Romanov (named best D of tournament, Bronze/RUS)
Jesse Ylonen (Gold/FIN)
FLA too
Aleksi Heponiemi (tied for 2nd in pts w/8pts/7gp, GOLD/FIN)
Grigori Denisenko ...led tourney with 9pts/7gp, Bronze/RUS
Owen Tippett 5pts/4gp
Sasha Chmelevski was definitely the most dangerous player for the US today. (named player of the game)
^^some decent undrafted players here from the WJC.
MTL had some impact players:
Poehling (named best F of tournament, USA/Silver)
Primeau (backstopped USA/Silver)
Alexander Romanov (named best D of tournament, Bronze/RUS)
Jesse Ylonen (Gold/FIN)
FLA too
Aleksi Heponiemi (tied for 2nd in pts w/8pts/7gp, GOLD/FIN)
Grigori Denisenko ...led tourney with 9pts/7gp, Bronze/RUS
Owen Tippett 5pts/4gp
Sasha Chmelevski was definitely the most dangerous player for the US today. (named player of the game)
Same. If anything, I saw that for all the hype both Hughes' have they are not ready for the NHL quite yet. I'd love to see Quinn try to skate through four guys in the NHL this year to see how that ends up for him though hah
WJC is tough, small sample size but they are supposed to be the best of the best. I guess it's one of those double-edged swords.
HIFE
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Unfriendly Ghost
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Kakko really stood out to me. He didn't dominate, but he's a 17 year old in a 19 year old's tournament. The fact that he was able to have the impact that he did was very impressive. He played a big role for Finland, and handled the puck an awful lot on their PP.
And let's not forget about Anton Lundell. He's not eligible until 2020, and yet was very noticeable. Maybe more so than Lafreniere. I was kind of blown away to see that Lundell is already .5 PPG in Liiga, the year before his draft. That's good production for the year after your draft year...
Lundell plays for HIFK, where he no doubt studies the techniques and pro mindset used by his teammate, former NHL superstar Kyle Quincey.
Cyborg Yzerberg
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Really tough tournament from Zadina, definitely expect more from a +1 player in this environment, regardless of his linemates. He’s just going to require more time, which isn’t bad, because we aren’t going anywhere for a bit.
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