Pavels Dog
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I don’t think they’re operating under some idea that Vanek is the missing piece. There’s really no need for this team to deliberately try to get worse than they already are. More assets that we can sell is not a bad thing.
Ansar Khan: Wings interested in Vanek among others
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NickH8
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The problem here is Vanek has no real value, that's been proven year after year. There's more value in letting a young guy play in that spot that Vanek would take.
If we are getting to a place where we want top 9 vets on short term deals to move for assets down the line, than whatever. I would feel much better about the strategy if it was at the expense of an existing contract though. For example, trade one of these depth guys now so Vanek replaces their roster spot. Still leave a spot open for Svech to earn.
TheMoreYouKnow
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Ownership's problem is that by now everyone knows the Wings aren't good. A bad team full of veterans on their way out draws as badly as or worse than a bad team full of kids.
Of course, their arena project was a case of hilariously bad timing. It's rare for a team in as bad a position as the Wings to open a new arena just as they enter lean years. They probably believed the Wings would always be good, and maybe Ken Holland told them that, too. The only way to avoid this issue would have been a drastic rebuild initiated around the time they started the arena project in earnest in 2012.
Of course, their arena project was a case of hilariously bad timing. It's rare for a team in as bad a position as the Wings to open a new arena just as they enter lean years. They probably believed the Wings would always be good, and maybe Ken Holland told them that, too. The only way to avoid this issue would have been a drastic rebuild initiated around the time they started the arena project in earnest in 2012.
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Dont mind signing a vet or two, especially if a couple other guys are moved but Vanek has already shown to not have much value at the deadline but is actually decent enough to win a couple extra shootouts/games. If Nyquist/AA are gone, no real issue with it but can he return a 3rd rounder at the deadline again?
jkutswings
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I'd rather lose another 3-5 games and pick higher in every round, than have the extra 3rd or 4th rounder that Vanek would return.
Either do a flier on a guy who might actually get a return, or trade for a guy who will make a difference more than 1-2 years in the future. Otherwise, let the existing players stink it up for as high a lottery standing as possible.
Either do a flier on a guy who might actually get a return, or trade for a guy who will make a difference more than 1-2 years in the future. Otherwise, let the existing players stink it up for as high a lottery standing as possible.
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I guess since the Wings really don't have any good forward prospects ready to take a roster spot it doesn't matter if the Wings sign some old veterans, although it still makes zero sense to me. Svech looks like a bust, Rasmussen may not work out for the entire year and past that I don't even know if we have anyone legit enough to warrant a discussion.
We might have some role player/plug prospects, but no one else to get too excited about for next season.
We might have some role player/plug prospects, but no one else to get too excited about for next season.
What is the point of it though? We are not close to contending what is the reason behind signing a guy who will likely only play up until the deadline and take away ice time from a young guy on the top 2 lines. Clearly he would take a top 6 role away from a young player considering Vanek game doesn't fit into a bottom 6 role and probably get paid like a top 6 guy. Also, value is not high on Vanek considering Vancouver had trouble dealing him last year despite having a pretty good season. Lose, lose situation.
Seriously....?
I'm not shocked, but come on. This is so unbelievably counter productive at this point. Looks like Kenny is keeping his "anything can happen if you sneak into the playoffs" mentality. Can't we just play young players for 2 years, and continue to stockpile prospects for the future? The saga will never end until Holland is gone. This is so frustrating....
I'm not shocked, but come on. This is so unbelievably counter productive at this point. Looks like Kenny is keeping his "anything can happen if you sneak into the playoffs" mentality. Can't we just play young players for 2 years, and continue to stockpile prospects for the future? The saga will never end until Holland is gone. This is so frustrating....
Pavels Dog
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I agree he doesn’t have much value but we also don’t have a ton of young NHL ready forwards. There’s room for Rasmussen even with a Vanek/Kovalchuk signing. Svech probably fits in as well. Who else matters? Turgeon? Pope? Holmstrom?
An FA signing also could make it easier to trade Nyquist/AA and still having some forward depth.
Vanek played almost exclusively bottom 6 two years ago.
The ”blocking youngsters” argument is almost a joke at this point tbh. Any important youngster won’t be blocked by the likes of Vanek, Witkowski, Frk etc.
Yes it is because if we bring in Vanek and/or Kovalchuk and/or Green and/or other free agents, it ultimately makes us a better team for next year, hurting our draft position. We need to suck for 2 more years and draft in the top 5-7. Finishing 10th in the East and drafting 12th overall does us no good.
Pavels Dog
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We sucked with Vanek, we’ve sucked with Green. How do we suddenly become much better with them?
Kovalchuk? Yeah he could help. But he’s also extremely unlikely to sign here.
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yeah it's just a weird guy to target considering they already tried the whole short term deal thing with this exact guy 2 years ago and got a weak return even with him playing well
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The Wings are already loaded with vets.
No amount of washed up vets is gonna get people to watch the Wings next season
No amount of washed up vets is gonna get people to watch the Wings next season
I think they are a more iconic duo.
I would have also accepted the Swedish Twins.
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Agree with your thread except this part. I was on board with the Svechnikov was a complete bust train before his callup, but his last 5-6 games up in the NHL I think he showed promise. I think he can be an ok thirdliner
Unless you meant bust as in not a top 6
jkutswings
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But it's not just whether there's a kid ready to take a spot. The higher the draft picks, the better the odds of being effective with the rebuilding efforts.
Screw Vanek. I want to chase the worst record in the league, to maximize my odds of landing an elite to generational player.
Pavels Dog
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Lol how much better do you think Vanek makes us? Bigger improvement than Buffalo adding Dahlin? Bigger improvement than AZ, Ottawa and Montreal adding top 5 picks?
Those were the only teams with worse records than us last year. All will add big name prospects that could step in and be major differencemakers next year.
I don't really want Vanek, but it really doesn't hurt us in any way to add that caliber of FA on a short-term deal. So we'll lose some games 5-4 instead of 5-1. It's still zero points. The team doesn't need to be an absolute embarrassment for 100% of 82 games in order to finish near or at the bottom.
