Will Zetterberg Be A HHOF'er?

[TMLeafs17]

Yes

 

[CH]

Jiri Slegr and Tomas Jonsson are members of the triple gold club. It sounds good but it's a team achievement. It can be achieved by being in the right places at the right time and not by being an elite player.

 

[LiveeviL]

Jiri Slegr and Tomas Jonsson are members of the triple gold club. It sounds good but it's a team achievement. It can be achieved by being in the right places at the right time and not by being an elite player.

That is true, but also not relevant for Zetterberg who was a key-player for these golds.

 

[DitchMarner]

How many point-per game players with 1300+ points are not in the Hall of Fame? In all NHL history? I actually looked it up, it is precisely one: Pierre Turgeon. These simply are "automatic Hall of Famer" stats.

Sundin is 28th in all NHL history for total points... and all the eligible players from 1-31 are already in the Hall of Fame (#33 is, you guessed it, Pierre Turgeon) and of the top 50 list only 5 who are eligible are not in the Hall: Turgeon (#32), Roenick (#43), Nicholls (#45), Damphousse (#46) and Brind'Amour (#48).

Furthermore, of the top 63 scorers in NHL history, the only ones who are retired and eligible for the HHOF that aren't in are:

Turgeon, Roenick, Nicholls, Damphousse, Brind'Amour and Alfredsson.

Six guys out of 63.

NHL & WHA Career Leaders and Records for Points | Hockey-Reference.com


If someone actually thinks Andreychuk, Housley, Ciccarelli, Federko, Nieuwendyk or Anderson was a better player than Sundin (or Zetterberg), that person needs a good smack upside the head.

 

[McVespa99]

How did being a Leaf propel his HOF chances into the voters liking, rather than his stats and international resume?

Seriously? Eastern media bias. Tsn. Etc. You cant really think that does not matter. Sheesh

 

[Blackmon]

I don’t see it.

He was a very good player, but he was never absolutely dominant nor was he the best player in the league at any point in time.

I would put him in a group with guys like Lecavalier and Brad Richards. Great, but not legendary.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Seriously? Eastern media bias. Tsn. Etc. You cant really think that does not matter. Sheesh

The Leafs were hardly a powerhouse team during his time there. Sure, I understand the exposure maybe being really consistent for him, but he deserved the praise he got. He was one of the best players in the league.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I don’t see it.

He was a very good player, but he was never absolutely dominant nor was he the best player in the league at any point in time.

I would put him in a group with guys like Lecavalier and Brad Richards. Great, but not legendary.

Is that the criteria now? A lot of players who deserve to be there were never considered THE best in the league, but Zetterberg was one of them at one point.

Francis, Selanne, Hawerchuk, Oates, Gilmour, Kurri, Robitaille, Modano, Shanahan, Stastny.....just some no doubt HOFers who were never considered the “best” in the league.

 

[NoName]

Seriously? Eastern media bias. Tsn. Etc. You cant really think that does not matter. Sheesh

Yes, Eastern media is why he is ranked #28 in scoring all time, putting up 1349 points at a ppg pace. It was that damned Toronto conspiracy that made him put up those clear Hall of Fame numbers

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't think he's a first or second ballot guy, but I think he does find his way in at some point.

 

[elmaco]

Definitely

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

Jiri Slegr and Tomas Jonsson are members of the triple gold club. It sounds good but it's a team achievement. It can be achieved by being in the right places at the right time and not by being an elite player.

Yeah those guys are comparable to Zetterberg..

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Hall of very good

 

[Legionnaire]

If Recchi got in so should Hank.

 

[Kranix]

Sundin's sheer production stats are in line with a Hall of Famer:
Games: 1346
Goals: 564
Assists: 785
Points: 1349
Points per game: 1.002


He is in because he unequivocally put up Hall of Fame numbers. He also had international success (Olympic Gold medal, 16 GP, 11 G, 9 A, 20 P, 3x WC gold medal 35 GP, 18 G, 26 A, 44 P). The only knock on him is the lack of a Stanley Cup... which can be made about a lot of Hall of Fame players.

It is continually mystifying why people just ignore Sundin's raw statistics when they compare his production numbers. He was simply scored a lot more points a lot more efficiently then Zetterberg or Toews or Andreychuk and it isn't particularly close.

This really shouldn't be all that controversial: Sundin is deservedly in the Hall of Fame because he flat-out put up Hall of Fame level production and had a fair amount of team success over his career.

Sometimes I wonder if Sundin had played for a team like say Minnesota his entire career if there would be so much "controversy" about him being in the Hall here on HFBoards, because there certainly wasn't among actual voters because Sundin got in on the first ballot.

If he had played in Minnesota there wouldn't be any controversy because he might not even be in the hof yet.

 

[Esq]

100% yes

 

[StLHokie]

Don't think he should get in before someone like Pierre Turgeon

The fact that he didn't hit 1000 career points, while still averaging under a point per game doesn't bode well for him.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I don’t see it.

He was a very good player, but he was never absolutely dominant nor was he the best player in the league at any point in time.

I would put him in a group with guys like Lecavalier and Brad Richards. Great, but not legendary.

Based on some of the guys who got into the HoF, I don't think the bolded is necessarily a prerequisite. There are quite a few good, but never dominant or best players in the Hall.

 

[tony d]

Yeah, he will. Not sure about 1st ballot but he'll get in definitely.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Zetterbergs biggest problem is his stats. They don’t justify the kind of player he was or how dominant he was.

The bigger question is, is Zetterberg good enough on his talent and what he has achieved(Smythe, Cup, international success) to make an argument for the Hall?

 

[Laphroaig]

Mike Johnson, who played with Zetterberg, believes that he shouldn't get in due to a scarcity of major awards or year end all-star teams . I disagree. Zetterberg may not qualify if he could only rely on his offensive numbers but he was so much more than that. I'd argue that his offense alone (in a low scoring era) puts him on the cusp but his leadership and superb defensive play should easily put him over the top.

 

[RedWingzz]

Yes

Maybe not first ballot, but he's a hall of famer.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Mike Johnson, who played with Zetterberg, believes that he shouldn't get in due to a scarcity of major awards or year end all-star teams . I disagree. Zetterberg may not qualify if he could only rely on his offensive numbers but he was so much more than that. I'd argue that his offense alone (in a low scoring era) puts him on the cusp but his leadership and superb defensive play should easily put him over the top.

When the hell did Mike Johnson play with Zetterberg?

 

[KaseMeOutside]

He doesn't deserve to be in. I look as Zetterberg as a complier like Roenick was. His post season awards do him in for me. A HOF should have at least a top 3-5 Hart/Norris/Vezina voting to his credit. One top 10 and a 2nd team AS doesn't cut it for me.

You mean a players HOF case is based on biased voters?

 

[Goleafsgo95]

Yes, but not first ballot.