Rumor: Will the Leafs pull the trigger on Alex Pietrangelo this off-season?

[Anthrax442]

ew have no cap space

 

[dubey]

They'll obviously try

Cap space isn't an issue. If they can agree on a number the Leafs will clear space.

 

[nuck]

Absolutely I could see that. I wouldn't be surprised if Blues offered him no more than $7.5M themselves. This wouldn't surprise me at all. The days of the $10M player will be very rare for awhile.

With the Leafs having the deepest pockets in the league they can do what few teams can do, they can offer an AAV that is the same or slightly higher than other teams, but they can offer the rare lucrative signing bonus that immediately allows a player to put money to work for him, AND it's never going to be impacted by a shutdown/lockout or whatever.

Such a large cash injection immediately adds more cash to a players final return on his contract, be it in getting into the market on investment a year or two earlier, or, simply buying a fix interest instrument. It's in his portfolio, it doesn't go away, and, it can immediately appreciate or compound.

I have little doubt, that a #1 D man could (would?) have been the difference maker in at least 3 of the last 4 playoff losses. That would mean major revenue going forward.

Leafs have to bring some success in order to have advertisers continue to pay high rates. If you don't need to fiddle around with unknown, mid-tier players, than don't. Go with the Stud and build out.

Not sure how lucrative that bonus is considered to be. The Leafs gave it to all their high end signings and still set the market every time without getting a max term on anyone but Tavares. That implies almost no weight was given on the players side. Maybe Covid will create leverage that didn't exist before. It will be an edge, just not clear how much.

 

[Ifittex il Verita]

It's a great opportunity to start a restructure of the team. I hope Dubas doesn't pass on this.

 

[Terrible GM]

Alex Pietrangelo has stated that he is interested in signing with his Hometown Team this off-season, he said he will sign at a cheaper price this off-season if he does end up signing, Pietrangelo has so far been offered a 9 million Dollar Contract from Nashville. Thoughts?

Can you actually post a link to Pietrangelo stating his interest? I have never seen this and have specially never read or heard from him that he will sign at cheaper price. I've only ever read fans saying this, and analysts making personal opinions and assumptions.

I'm very interested in your statement of fact, and would love to read it from a creditable source...

 

[Faltorvo]

Alex Pietrangelo has stated that he is interested in signing with his Hometown Team this off-season, he said he will sign at a cheaper price this off-season if he does end up signing, Pietrangelo has so far been offered a 9 million Dollar Contract from Nashville. Thoughts?

for starters,,,,, you are utterly full of shit

we would know if Nashville has offered a 9 million dollar contract because that would be tampering and allllll over the news as the NHL penalizes them into the ground

it's not UFA season yet kiddo

 

[X66]

I hate when people are more concerned with bottom 6 players then getting a bonafide number 1 dman.

Every single one of those big leafs contracts can be moved tomorrow for a kings ransom, so why not add Pietro see how it goes and it it flops trade someone from the core.

Plus, you can get a ton of good players for the bottoms six at league minimum.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Not sure how lucrative that bonus is considered to be. The Leafs gave it to all their high end signings and still set the market every time without getting a max term on anyone but Tavares. That implies almost no weight was given on the players side. Maybe Covid will create leverage that didn't exist before. It will be an edge, just not clear how much.

I wouldn't have done it for any RFA, however, that's water under the bridge. For an UFA I might.

I'm not sure it's designed to keep their salary low, and I'm no contract expert so take this with a grain of salt. I believe it either makes it more enticing for a free agent, or, in the case of say Nylander, you have flexibility to move him down the road as the team taking the contract has less to pay since it was front heavy.

The owners still lose money in Opportunity Costs in both scenarios, but, they aren't concerned, they are just working around the Cap. The player accepts it for similar reasons, and would make more on an equal contract offered elsewhere due to the upfront, guaranteed money. Possibly even more in the case of a higher offer elsewhere.

Imagine for a moment, that Covid-19 shuts down the NHL for a season. No contracts are honoured for the year due to no revenue coming in. Nylander and others with massive bonuses upfront are sitting on the money they've already been paid. If you are a free agent, is this something to consider? I don't know.

What I do know is, in general, contracts will not be trending upwards...

 

[Faltorvo]

Don't want. Nor can the Leafs afford him practically without moving out 10+ mil contract.

kerf and johnsson give us 7m in cap and sending down rosen and marincin adds another 1.5m

 

[Faltorvo]

I'm sure OP misspoke and meant the Blues. Said Nashville because the Josi contract keeps coming up as a comparable. Having said that the 9 million offer is unconfirmed and the Leafs element doesn't constitute "rumor" yet as far as I know.

LMFAO

you think AP walked from a 9m x 8y offer from the blues???? NOT A CHANCE in hell.

 

[Faltorvo]

Given COVID and the fact that they are starting at Josi money, it is quite possible he would agree to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 8.5. Like JT, AP values family. Starting to think there is a chance.

given TOs covid records and lack of riots and crazy crime rate

ya,,, i think there is a chance his family would be happy with TO

 

[Coachcorner]

Given COVID and the fact that they are starting at Josi money, it is quite possible he would agree to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 8.5. Like JT, AP values family. Starting to think there is a chance.

With him and Wayne Simmonds arriving like in the film "Arrival", our team would be looking more a stud team instantly sire like you already know. With them and Borowiechki on our new, fresher, meaner and meatier blueline, our chances would go WAY up sire like you already knew. We would not need anymore players after that since barabanov babar is coming and some of our young fools is ready. Spezza would be gone, Johnsson too in this scenario and some other fool adding to the gone factor also, but you name him sire. I can't figure the last puzzle of the piece out miself. Oh, barrie too is gone. But yeah you name the last fool in this planet of human beings.

 

[Menzinger]

I doubt they're planning around it happening or even banking on it. But will definitely adapt on the fly if they think they can actually sign him.

They won't pass on a #1 rhd as long as the price is right

 

[Hockey Crazy]

OP read this tweet and got dizzy.

Yup. Just shows how fast BS can spread on the internet these days because people have the attention span of gold fish and don't know how to check a source.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

LMFAO

you think AP walked from a 9m x 8y offer from the blues???? NOT A CHANCE in hell.

Did you even reply to right person??? No idea why this is directed at me.

 

[Faltorvo]

If they get Pie and make it work cap wise and dosnt effect us next season I'm happy.
If they avoid Pie and pick up 2 med tierd D and we turn out good I'm happy.
So as long as something good comes outtta this off-season and shows improvement in post season I'm happy. With or without Pie.

i guess my question to you is

what do you consider "a good season"?

 

[A1LeafNation]

I hate when people are more concerned with bottom 6 players then getting a bonafide number 1 dman.

Every single one of those big leafs contracts can be moved tomorrow for a kings ransom, so why not add Pietro see how it goes and it it flops trade someone from the core.

Plus, you can get a ton of good players for the bottoms six at league minimum.

Quoted for truth!

 

[Faltorvo]

Did you even reply to right person??? No idea why this is directed at me.

yes it's to the right person

i can't see how you think he "miss spoke"

you are trying to correct his mistake with a absurdity

with what the OP said and you correct the Nashville for St Louis,,that deal would have been signed the day it was offered.

 

[Faltorvo]

Absolutely I could see that. I wouldn't be surprised if Blues offered him no more than $7.5M themselves. This wouldn't surprise me at all. The days of the $10M player will be very rare for awhile.

With the Leafs having the deepest pockets in the league they can do what few teams can do, they can offer an AAV that is the same or slightly higher than other teams, but they can offer the rare lucrative signing bonus that immediately allows a player to put money to work for him, AND it's never going to be impacted by a shutdown/lockout or whatever.

Such a large cash injection immediately adds more cash to a players final return on his contract, be it in getting into the market on investment a year or two earlier, or, simply buying a fix interest instrument. It's in his portfolio, it doesn't go away, and, it can immediately appreciate or compound.

I have little doubt, that a #1 D man could (would?) have been the difference maker in at least 3 of the last 4 playoff losses. That would mean major revenue going forward.

Leafs have to bring some success in order to have advertisers continue to pay high rates. If you don't need to fiddle around with unknown, mid-tier players, than don't. Go with the Stud and build out.

ohhh you are missing something about the cash bonus,,read the last lines in this link

How Much Do NHL Players Really Make?.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

yes it's to the right person

i can't see how you think he "miss spoke"

you are trying to correct his mistake with a absurdity

with what the OP said and you correct the Nashville for St Louis,,that deal would have been signed the day it was offered.

Right...but I never said the 9 million offer existed, I was just trying to piece together the OP. Also you're talking like 9 is a number Pietrangelo can't get when it seems pretty well right on the money.

 

[Faltorvo]

I hate when people are more concerned with bottom 6 players then getting a bonafide number 1 dman.

Every single one of those big leafs contracts can be moved tomorrow for a kings ransom, so why not add Pietro see how it goes and it it flops trade someone from the core.

Plus, you can get a ton of good players for the bottoms six at league minimum.

and no one even talking about how AP could launch MO to the next level seeing that he won't have to carry the likes of ceci on his back

 

[Faltorvo]

Right...but I never said the 9 million offer existed, I was just trying to piece together the OP. Also you're talking like 9 is a number Pietrangelo can't get when it seems pretty well right on the money.

i'm saying if st loo had offered the 9m it would already be a done deal.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

i'm saying if st loo had offered the 9m it would already be a done deal.

I would think so but it's also not "no chance in hell" he declined situation, seeing as it's an appropriate figure. I suspect Pietrangelo would've signed that but I could also see him looking for a bigger deal than Josi's and/or wanting to see if anyone threw crazy money at him in free agency.

 

[Coachcorner]

i'm saying if st loo had offered the 9m it would already be a done deal.

St.louis is not bout to pay up that type of a sucka money to anybody of these fool dorks. They more sharper and tighter than that. We in the other hand are the most richest club in the whole wide world whom He has on his hands.

 

[A1LeafNation]

St.louis is not bout to pay up that type of a sucka money to anybody of these fool dorks. They more sharper and tighter than that. We in the other hand are the most richest club in the whole wide world whom He has on his hands.

Or cheap as shit or dumb as shit for signing faulk with APs money.