His worst fail was implementing the Therrien's system across the board, including the farm team, which completely derailed players development in favor of a sterile "team concept" that was a complete disaster. He's got nobody coming up from the AHL and his only hope is from the CHL or European guys. Habs have good scouts, both pro and amateur, but they can't beat the "system". Now, he put all his cards into Julien so he bought time. Doubt it'll work but Julien's a good coach so you never know. Molson will wait at least a couple of years to fire him unless Price is injured and/or the team collapses, which remains a possibility. Shaw and Gallagher are damaged goods. Plekanec and Markov, if they remain with the team, were great players for the team but they're now marginal. Danault is a good 3rd line C playing on the first line. Galchenyuk and Beaulieu have not progressed much since their Junior years as their skills were sacrificed for Therrien's concept. That team is in a sorry state and Bergevin's right when he says he can't make a decent trade since he has nobody to trade. And it's all on him.
I think people are overreacting here.
The fact that he needs to bring top 6 talent does not mean that he needs to stop trying to improve his bottom 6.
The trades he ade at the deadline were not bad at all. Ott was great in the playoffs, Benn was amazing for the end of the season. King and Martinsen were failed gambles I agree, but they did not cost a lot.
It's clear that Bergevin failed to bring top 6 talent in montreal, but during his 5 years he was probably the best GM in the league to build depth and a solid all around team.
The Canadiens have had good season under him because they have had bottom lines that almost always outperformed the opponents bottom lines.
Guys like Danault, Mitchell, Byron, Weise, Fleischman, Shaw, Benn, Weaver have been great bottom 6 / top 6 D for the Habs. Bergevin has a solid pro scouting team around him that allowed him to make those great depth moves.
All in all he has been pretty average, because he did fail to bring offense, but people need to stop ******** on him for making depth moves, he is one the bests at it. 1 does not prevent the other, it's not because he trades for bottom 6 players that he isn't trying to get top 6 players at the same time. This logic is absolutely stupid.
Therrien hasn't been the cause of Beaulieu and Galchenyuk's problems. Their constant habit of putting partying before work is why they haven't progressed like they should've.
crying need of basic skills development which was completely ignored under Therrien and his little friends in the AHL.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever though.The guy was Montreal. And they almost finished last.
So THAT Montreal had to go.
I'll take that bet.I am taking bets. Price signs 8 year extension this summer with the Habs. It'll be higher than Toews/Kane money at the very least.
Montreal needs a real GM.Above all, what Montreal needs is a true hockey mind at the president of hockey operations position, currently held by a spoiled businessman (Geoff Molson), who will then bring a new philosophy to the franchise.
That new president will then be able to purge the team at all levels from the GM to the scouting department, and then proceed to a true rebuild.
Inherited a great young core and ****ed it up. The way he treated Subban was disgraceful and hiring Therrien was a disastrous move. They've screwed up Galchenyuk's development and have created a mess. That team should've been so much better... all it needed was a decent coach and some forwards to help out. Galchenyuk should be a hell of a lot further ahead than he is.5 years in...
Plan: Build through draft
Results: one of worst prospect pools in NHL.
Plan: sustainable success
Results: aging/high cap team with no young players close to good enough to replace them
He's most overrated GM in NHL. Once Price, Weber, Pacioretty start to regress it's going to get ugly.
8.75M is a little more than the King, not less...he has indicated he will sign a cap friendly deal...it wont be in the Kane/Toews area that's for sure...the cap hit Price takes, will not cripple the team...You are comparing the #1 market for lack of taxes to the 31st though when speaking about Montreal. I would be stunned if Price signs for less Than Lundqvist. Price has won the Heart trophy and it's been a few years since the Rangers gave Lundqvist that contract.
Or maybe both those two just aren't that smart?
A lot of guys have the physical skills to play in the NHL but don't have the mind to keep pace with the lightning fast decision making. They look great in junior and minor leagues with more time/space but can never adapt to the much faster NHL place.
There's limits to how much that can be improved through training by even the greatest coaches.
Not ONE pick from the Bergevin years has panned out after a stint in the AHL. NOT ONE.
So you're very angry he hasn't managed to draft a player from the #25-30 picks who is now making a NHL impact as an under 22 year old? hfboards...
I'm talking about good prospects who don't get better or who get worse. Tinordi, De La Rose, Beaulieu, Dietz, Galchenyuk, Pateryn, Hudon, Andrighetto, McCarron, Scherbak, etc. You wanna tell me all these guys were hams? Whoever you draft needs to work on their skills, no matter how good they are in Junior. When there's no development system, they start getting behind lesser guys. There's plenty of examples of good farm systems in the league. The Habs sure are not one of them.
I'm talking about good prospects who don't get better or who get worse. Tinordi, De La Rose, Beaulieu, Dietz, Galchenyuk, Pateryn, Hudon, Andrighetto, McCarron, Scherbak, etc. You wanna tell me all these guys were hams? Whoever you draft needs to work on their skills, no matter how good they are in Junior. When there's no development system, they start getting behind lesser guys. There's plenty of examples of good farm systems in the league. The Habs sure are not one of them.
Weber has been better than Subban this season and during these playoffs. So that trade has not been a negative for MB (at least not yet).
He brought in Radulov who is the habs best forward. He got a 20 goalscorer (Byron) for free. He got a 2nd line center (Danault) + 2nd round pick for basically nothing (Weise + Fleishmann). He got Benn, who is a very good bottom pairing defenseman, for a struggling 7th D (pateryn).
Oh and he also got a top 5 coach in the nhl, who is the best current coach who can speak french.
He hadn't done much in his first 3-4 years in terms of improving the team, but the past year he did a tremendous job.
I think he's going hard this summer again, and sign guys like Shipachev, Dadonov, etc. who will help the habs a lot.
Weber would NOT have 5 points, he looked done after game 3Playoff numbers:
Weber 1 G 2 A 3 pts 6 games. In 10 games, Weber would have 5 points.
Subban 1 G 6 A 7 pts 10 games.
This is the second time that I have seen you have post something about Subban that can be shown to be false by some simple mathematics!
Maybe if Nashville wins the Stanley Cup (Coupe Stanley) with Subban, the Montreal GM will get fired. There are a lot of factors to consider. The Preds have a 1 in 4 chance at the moment.
One slight cavil: I don't think Pateryn was drafted by the Habs.
I specifically didn't mention Lekhonen because he hasn't been brought up from the Habs. He stayed in Europe, thankfully, and developed his skills over there. Wasn't wasted by the "system" and he certainly wasn't a top 15 pick. Galchenyuk had Therrien to learn from. Nothing to do with his IQ.
Pateryn was traded from the Leafs right off the draft and was wasted by the Habs "development".