TheBradyBunch
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Dreger: Will be very surprised if Hoffman is not dealt at the draft; Karlsson trade far less likely.
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Hoffman is a great fit with Duchene (has a notoriously difficult time finding chemistry) and is Ottawa’s second best winger, a team that isn’t flush with amazing wingers. Operating on a 68-70 million dollar cap and assuming they actually are going to sign Karlsson. You would have (estimated) Karlsson at 11, Ryan at 7.5, Gaborik at 4.875 (if not bought out), Hoffman at 5.187, Duchene/Stone at 8, Anderson at 4.750, and Ceci at 5. That’s nearly 55 million spent on 8 players on what could be a cap as low as 68 million.
There’s a reason Hoffman is on the block, and it’s not because he’s a poor fit or that Ottawa doesn’t need him. Look for Elc’s or draft picks to be the return.
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On the two Hoffman destinations mentioned in the main post.
I can't see CGY acquiring Hoffman because they have so few draft picks. None in the first three rounds of the 2018 draft, and then they are already missing their 2019 2nd. I'd imagine that Ramsus Andersson might be part of the ask since the Senators need badly to re-establish depth on the right side of their defensive core, and a near NHL ready young defender would help to re-establish the Senators backend after losing both Phaneuf and Methot last season.
A good starting point in a deal with the Kings would be the 20th pick in the draft. Adrian Kempe would be a good piece for the Senators, but I'd be a bit surprised if he was available.
I can't see CGY acquiring Hoffman because they have so few draft picks. None in the first three rounds of the 2018 draft, and then they are already missing their 2019 2nd. I'd imagine that Ramsus Andersson might be part of the ask since the Senators need badly to re-establish depth on the right side of their defensive core, and a near NHL ready young defender would help to re-establish the Senators backend after losing both Phaneuf and Methot last season.
A good starting point in a deal with the Kings would be the 20th pick in the draft. Adrian Kempe would be a good piece for the Senators, but I'd be a bit surprised if he was available.
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If there's actually an intention to trade Karlsson, I think there's still a chance they'd do it at the draft if they got an amazing offer, and Dorion would just fall back on how he said all along that he has to listen to the best offers/do what was best for the team, and he got an offer he couldn't refuse that wouldn't be there on July 1st.
Let's be real, both sides have probably talked numbers already. So either they are on board or they aren't. If Karlsson gets traded at the draft, it's probably a positive because it means the Senators got something so absurd that the return makes it worth it for Dorion to deal with the headache of going back on his word of not trading Karlsson until after July 1st.
What's preventing Dorion from finding out what Karlsson wants? If the Sens knew that they couldn't re-sign Karlsson, then they could give Colorado the 4th pick and trade Karlsson and Hoffman at the draft so that they can tank for Hughes next year.
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Rasmus Andersson and Jon Gillies for Hoffman?
Flames badly need someone who can shoot and could score 30.
Flames badly need someone who can shoot and could score 30.
No, just no. We got lucky at 4OA esp. If Montreal leaves us Zadina. Zadina and run. Trade Hoff trade Smith trade Ceci and resign Karl Stone Duchene. The writing is practically there.
That could work well, but what if Karlsson doesn't except Dorion's offer come July 1st? Than not having a potential lottery pick next year could really hurt.
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As a Sens fan I honestly really like this deal. Melnyk is looking to shed salary so that box gets checked and Nylander is still so young he’s got a chance. Especially with a less talented forward group on the Senators next season.
Wait what? For Hoffman?
He doesn't have anywhere near the value to return any of those guys, the only exception being Forbort.
Top pairing Dmen that are signed for multiple years have significantly more value then a winger.
I would do brodie straight up for Hoffman, fits aneed for both teams imo. Would even be willing to throw in a decent forward prospect like mangiapane in too
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Keep in mind, the Flyers inquired about him at the draft and this was the talk:
A player like Hoffman would not come at a low cost, and that proved to be the case as talks never really got any further than the feeling out process. The starting point for which it would take to pry Hoffman away from the capital city of the True White North was believed to be rookie defenceman Travis Sanheim and a first-round draft pick as a starting point, along with another roster player – Scott Laughton’s name may have popped up.
A player like Hoffman would not come at a low cost, and that proved to be the case as talks never really got any further than the feeling out process. The starting point for which it would take to pry Hoffman away from the capital city of the True White North was believed to be rookie defenceman Travis Sanheim and a first-round draft pick as a starting point, along with another roster player – Scott Laughton’s name may have popped up.
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10th Overall is going to be used for defence, Chia is adament on that. (No, we don't want Ceci)
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We are defenitly not giving you Klef or Nurse for a winger. Only way you get one of those guys is in a package for EK.
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there is literally no way Ottawa would retain on ryan AND take on lucic.
Yeah, that's not a viable trade. No way in hell can Edmonton eat those contracts.
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The Oilers ended any concept of tanking for the 1st overall. The Avs had the worst season of any team in the modern era and they ended up with....the 4th overall pick. The Sens should keep the pick and hope Zadina falls, because I think there's a good chance the Canadiens will take Kotkaniemi. I am surprised the Sens are considering trading Hoffman, but regardless, they really need to keep their pick this year and hope they can have a bit of a resurgence next season with some youth.
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Fair enough.
Selling wingers sucks.
We couldn't land Cody f***ing Ceci for Taylor Hall.
