Why does Toews get more praise and attention than Kane?
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No. No, they wouldn't be. They play completely different, so how would the team be the exact same? And if you're referring to just results, it's impossible to know. You can't just plug in players and assume the same results. It's ridiculous that some think this is a good argument.
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WarriorofTime
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Nah. Hawks would have 0 cups with Kessel. He's not a guy to buy into a team concept.
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I don't know about that.
At the end of a season, if you looked at the production numbers, maybe. But as far as style of play and skillset, Kane plays a lot more like a center than a traditional winger. He wants and has the puck on his stick all the time, and he's usually the guy that the offense runs through on his line. I've never really seen Kessel 'direct traffic' in the same way.
But, in truth, I don't see as many Leaf games as I see Hawks games.
Maplebeasts
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Oh come on. Look at all the praise Quick gets and there's a few goalies I'd rather have than him. Please don't play the nationality card
Maplebeasts
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Where is your proof of this? Please don't give me Feschuk, Wilson or Watters words. They all have axes to grind with Phil and the Leafs
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When there's smoke theres fire. Kane is face of USA Hockey and a future hall of famer. Kessel is a guy who will be the next Gomez.
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Toews is incredibly overrated. I think they're on the same level roughly. I prefer Kane because he's flashier and scores more in tough situations.
Where is the proof that Kessel would win a Cup with the Hawks? Taking out Kane, you have to replace his exact key moments in exact times, his production in general, and everything else. Why is it a good argument on HF to suggest that he'd replicate this just because they're around the same offensively?
You can't call out one of those arguments as bad and favor the other. They are both bad arguments. Could Kessel win a Cup with the Hawks? Definitely, but who knows? Nobody. The fact remains that Kane has won (and has been instrumental both times) two Cups with the Hawks. Can't fault Kessel for that, but you must praise Kane for it. Just the way it goes.
Kane has the killer instinct in the playoffsKessel will never have. He loves the pressure and big stage. I have not seen Kessel enjoy that......or pressure.
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Maplebeasts
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Kessel is ppg in playoffs, and hasn't had as much chance to shine as Kane did. Playing for the Hawks will do that for you. Go figure
Because by refuting his claim, I am assuming you are supporting the other side of the argument. Please read my edit though.
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Maplebeasts
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We'll have to see about that. Kessel is hardly in Gomez territory when he is still ppg. Kane isn't the face of USA hockey either, that probably goes to Suter or Quick, and if you ask me, neither make the hall
Kane's a future Hall of Fame player. Not a lock by any means, but he's on the path, and it can't really be argued otherwise.
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And his career has a long ways to go.
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One player is a playmaker; the other is a goal scorer. They produce similar numbers in the regular season, but that's about where the comparisons stop. Kane is just a big-game player. His playoff resume speaks for itself.
In fact, because Kane is such a skilled player, I think we as hockey fans want and expect more from him in the regular season. He could definitely be more than just a PPG player if he had Toews' all out effort game-in game-out.
Maplebeasts
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So you cant't come up with a counterpoint or stats to disprove my point, so you insult Kessel instead. Again Hawks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Leafs and if they never made it further in the playoffs than the Leafs did in 2013 that would be embarrasing
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Kane's been the face of USA Hockey for like 5 years
he's an easy hall of famer.His choice, although apparently the Bruins were fine with it.
If Kessel couldn't deal with Julien, I have no idea why anyone thinks he would have any use for Joel Quenneville.
He's a defensive-minded coach and he also wants to roll four lines.
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Because he has similar numbers to "bums" like Kessel and plays with a much more talented group of players in Chicago than most ppg guys could dream for. If he makes it, it's solely for his playoff hardware and nothing else.
Do you really think Suter or Quick are more recognizable than Kane? Not saying it's necessarily deserved when you factor in international play... or even that it matters... but he had more jerseys sold than anyone else in 2014. I think you would be hard pressed to find a more recognizable American player.
Maybe TJ Oshie.
