Why do so many of the media think the Hall-Larsson trade changed the trade market?
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AfroThunder396
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NJ has seen pretty strong regressions from Palmieri and Henrique (both hit 30 goals last year) and Cammalleri (38 points in 42 games last year, 30 points in 48 games this year).
Hall has been an incredible addition. The problem is we don't have any secondary scoring right now. Zajac has had a nice season but outside of Hall and Miles Wood no one has been able to finish for NJ. Zacha has been heating up lately though, and I like what I've seen from Noesen.
Short term NJ was set back because we gave up our best defenseman on an already below-average defense and replaced him with fringe NHLers like Quincey and Lovejoy. But in a year or two everything will be fine.
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The trade didn't change the market, it changed the media and a lot of fans perceptions of the market.
Reliable defensemen who can log heavy minutes against the best competition are rare and very valuable. Edmonton overpaid in a vacuum, but in reality scoring wingers are not worth as much as the general public thinks they are, and reliable defensemen command a premium.
Reliable defensemen who can log heavy minutes against the best competition are rare and very valuable. Edmonton overpaid in a vacuum, but in reality scoring wingers are not worth as much as the general public thinks they are, and reliable defensemen command a premium.
It's suggesting that we are as good as we are because of Larsson.
It doesn't say that we are good ONLY because of him.
Help a bit?
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Yeah, weird how we're not eager to shake up a team that's gone from 30th to 12th in a year.
Was never a fan of Seth Jones myself so I saw the deal as questionable one for the Blue Jackets but something they had to do and look at where they are now!
Johansen > Hall > Larsson > Jones
So how does trading an asset for a lesser one make it a good trade then? Because a team improves its a good trade? Is trading three first rounders for Tyler Bozak a good trade?
A1LeafNation
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because it shifts our defenseman down to where they should be playing...
It's really not that hard of a concept to understand.
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Oilers traded a position of strength for a position of weakness to improve their team, and it did improve them quite a bit.
It was well reported that they had shopped around the league to see who was available and what trades they could make, and Hall for Larsson was the deal that best helped the Oilers without giving up a player they thought was essential to the team or adding onto Hall.
A bunch of fans on HF who have hardly ever watched Larsson play saying it was a huge ripoff doesn't make it one.
It was well reported that they had shopped around the league to see who was available and what trades they could make, and Hall for Larsson was the deal that best helped the Oilers without giving up a player they thought was essential to the team or adding onto Hall.
A bunch of fans on HF who have hardly ever watched Larsson play saying it was a huge ripoff doesn't make it one.
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We'll probably never get better evidence of Larsson's value than the after effects of this trade. He is painfully missed in NJ - he's left a huge hole. He's gone on to fill a huge hole in Edmonton and the team is all of the sudden way better defensively and overall. He's one of the best two way defenseman in the game, he just plays the PK instead of the PP. He almost leads EDM defenseman in 5v5 scoring (only trails Klefbom and Sekera by 1 point) despite playing in a shut down role.
I said on day one that NJ lost the trade the evidence would suggest that is true. Hall has not made this team better offensively or overall. Larsson has made the Oilers better defensively and overall. But people still think it was a lopsided trade in favor of NJ.
I guess some people are just set in their ways - no amount of evidence will change their opinions.
I said on day one that NJ lost the trade the evidence would suggest that is true. Hall has not made this team better offensively or overall. Larsson has made the Oilers better defensively and overall. But people still think it was a lopsided trade in favor of NJ.
I guess some people are just set in their ways - no amount of evidence will change their opinions.
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If smart is missing the playoffs for an NHL record 11'th straight season then I'll take Chiarelli's stupidity helping to make us a better team every day of the week.
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Honestly I can't stress how incredible it is to me, as a human, to see how incapable other humans can be of comprehending a complex system. If it isnt A > B relationship, people get totally lost and confused. There are all kinds of moving parts in both NJ and Edmonton, and this one trade has had a small effect on both teams.
To be honest, I think the Oilers miss Taylor Hall as they have no consistent scoring outside of the top line, especially at ES where he is one of the best in the league. Their D has improved through 3 or 4 players not just one acquisition. There is plenty of evidence to explore to analyze these circumstances, but the facile argument of "Edmonton has improved therefor Edmonton won the trade" is remarkably shallow and frankly quite sad.
To be honest, I think the Oilers miss Taylor Hall as they have no consistent scoring outside of the top line, especially at ES where he is one of the best in the league. Their D has improved through 3 or 4 players not just one acquisition. There is plenty of evidence to explore to analyze these circumstances, but the facile argument of "Edmonton has improved therefor Edmonton won the trade" is remarkably shallow and frankly quite sad.
A1LeafNation
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Colorado is in a much bigger mess than Edmonton was. Edmonton had a 19 year-old generational talent when they made the deal. Amongst Colorado's issues is the fact their young core is not as good as they expected when drafted.
Colorado needs everything.
Again, if you think acquiring a #3 defencemen and having you're 4 and 5 guys play against less opponents is why you're in the playoffs then i think we have two different view points on hockey.
How can you say it was a good trade solely on the improvement in the standings if you're not implying Larsson in the sole reason for it
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I find it frustrating that after seeing that Hall-Larsson trade...then seeing a lesser version of it in the McCann+2nd for Gudbranson deal...the majority of folks on this site seem to still somehow hold firm to this idea that it's "overpayment".
At some point, when it's repeatedly established that big young physical Top-4 RHD go for more in trade than the consensus seems to indicate they're worth...at some point you've gotta acknowlege that maybe, just maybe...those players really are just worth more than the stupid HFBoards fancystats consensus seems to think.
I think there's a a stubbornness and refusal to acknowledge what players actually cost to acquire wrapped up in the idea so many still cling to that the Hall-Larsson trade was a "loss" for the Oilers.
At some point, when it's repeatedly established that big young physical Top-4 RHD go for more in trade than the consensus seems to indicate they're worth...at some point you've gotta acknowlege that maybe, just maybe...those players really are just worth more than the stupid HFBoards fancystats consensus seems to think.
I think there's a a stubbornness and refusal to acknowledge what players actually cost to acquire wrapped up in the idea so many still cling to that the Hall-Larsson trade was a "loss" for the Oilers.
McDavid Gilmour
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A few months prior Hamilton-who is better than either was had for a lesser price. Maybe that's why fans are not accepting this is the norm.
I'm not even sure why Vancouver is making the moves they are at this point anyways.
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