Who's the 5th best ever?

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I would have liked to have seen the numbers Bobby Hull put up had he spent the 70s in the NHL. I really don't know how much of a dropoff there was in talent in the WHA. Hull had a chance to pass Howe before Gretzky did it.

 

[newfy]

Jagr is #5 for me.
Maybe even #4.

I put him up there with Howe for #4.
Both had very long careers and both produced very well into their 40's.
At age 43 Jagr still scored 66 points in the NHL. That's ridiculous.

From 1995 through 2001 Jagr won 5 of 7 Art Ross trophies.
The other two? Mario Lemieux.

2nd all-time in points.

Fifteen consecutive 30-goal seasons. Fifteen!

If you buy into the era-adjusted goals stat, Jagr is the greatest goal scorer of all time, even ahead of Gretzky.

5th all-time in playoff scoring, the other 4 all played for the 80's Oilers.

I feel privileged to have watched his entire career even though he never played for my team and killed them in the 1992 Finals.

Tough! I'd mostly consider:

• Crosby/Jagr (IMO arguable for 4th best forward of all time)
• Lidstrom/Harvey (IMO arguable for 2nd best dman of all time)
• Hasek/Roy (IMO arguable for best goalie of all time)

Ultimately ... damn, very tough. I'll go Crosby, but it's crazy close. I personally give Crosby a very slight edge over Jagr (mostly for playoff performance), and think his impact on the game is slightly higher than the dmen or goalies on this list, but it's super arguable.

There is absolutely no argument for any of these guys in the top 4. The fact that people bring that up shows the lack of knowledge in this thread. Howe had as dominant of an offensive peak as Lemieux just his raw numbers were smaller. He was also a two way player, tougher and has the best longevity in the history of the game.

Howe is the 2nd best forward of all time. I wouldnt even make a big stir if people have Mario over him, whatever. Anyone trying to put Crosby or Jagr in the top 4 over them have absolutely no idea what theyre talking about though

 

[ponder]

There is absolutely no argument for any of these guys in the top 4. The fact that people bring that up shows the lack of knowledge in this thread. Howe had as dominant of an offensive peak as Lemieux just his raw numbers were smaller. He was also a two way player, tougher and has the best longevity in the history of the game.

Howe is the 2nd best forward of all time. I wouldnt even make a big stir if people have Mario over him, whatever. Anyone trying to put Crosby or Jagr in the top 4 over them have absolutely no idea what theyre talking about though

You misread my post.

 

[newfy]

You misread my post.

Youre right I did, my bad. Your post is something I agree with

 

[ponder]

Youre right I did, my bad. Your post is something I agree with

All good!

 

[Fataldogg]

How are Messier and Ovechkin not listed?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

It'll probably be mcdavid by the time he is done.

Long way to catch Crosby. LONG

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

How are Messier and Ovechkin not listed?

Ovechkin fine. Messier? Come on now

 

[Future GOAT]

This is Jagr.