Who Will Win The Hart Trophy?

[Kamus]

In the last 22 years, there’s been 3 (4 if not for Covid) 60 goal seasons, and 4 (5 possibly 6 if not for Covid), 120+ point seasons.

The more rare achievement is probably bigger, thus being less frequently accomplished. Good argument though, as usual.

So if Connor gets 2 more points in the next two games and finishes with 124 points. Only two players have done that in the last 22 years. Will you change your vote then?

 

[The90]

So if Connor gets 2 more points in the next two games and finishes with 124 points. Only two players have done that in the last 22 years. Will you change your vote then?

What vote? I didn’t make any vote. By the same scale, yeah it’s every bit as impressive. I’m unsure why we have to be so insecure about this.

 

[The90]

Isn't there already an award for most goals?

This year it’s called the Hart.

 

[Kamus]

What vote? I didn’t make any vote. By the same scale, yeah it’s every bit as impressive. I’m unsure why we have to be so insecure about this.

What insecurity? I’m following up with a question on a message board??? Isn’t that the point of these things?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yes, it is called the Rocket and the current king is Auston Matthews, and he just ran it back. Back to back.

Yeah he's a generational goal scorer.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

This year it’s called the Hart.

Naaah. Team is very easily a playoff team without him, as they showed in the 8 games he's missed.

Take Gaudreau off Calgary or McDavid off Edmonton and I don't think you can say the same thing.

 

[34]

Yeah he's a generational goal scorer.

Yes he is. Not sure if you are being sarcastic.

 

[34]

This year it’s called the Hart.

Hart and Rocket this season for Matthews.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yes he is. Not sure if you are being sarcastic.

Why would I be sarcastic?

 

[34]

So if Connor gets 2 more points in the next two games and finishes with 124 points. Only two players have done that in the last 22 years. Will you change your vote then?

Those secondary assists against all the weak non-playoff teams are not that special.

 

[34]

Why would I be sarcastic?

You hate the Leafs lol. That is why.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You hate the Leafs lol. That is why.

Huh?

Matthews is a generational goal scorer. Been saying it for years.

Take it easy with the persecution complex.

 

[34]

Huh?

Matthews is a generational goal scorer. Been saying it for years.

Take it easy with the persecution complex.

Over the years, you have had some choice posts about Matthews and Toronto, but all good man.

 

[Regal]

Naaah. Team is very easily a playoff team without him, as they showed in the 8 games he's missed.

Take Gaudreau off Calgary or McDavid off Edmonton and I don't think you can say the same thing.

8 game sample doesn’t mean much. Leafs goaltending has been awful the majority of the year, outside of the start of the year where Matthews missed some of those games and then started slow. During his 51 in 50 period, the Leafs had a .892 SV% and were giving up 3.37 G/GP. They needed all the offense they could get. The team is also 5-8-2 in the games Matthews doesn’t record a point.

I think the Leafs would suffer pretty similarly this year in terms of falling down the standings without Matthews as Calgary would without Gaudreau or the Oilers would without McDavid. They might be less likely to fall out of the playoffs, but that’s because there’s a huge cushion in the East, which shouldn’t really be held against anyone.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

8 game sample doesn’t mean much. Leafs goaltending has been awful the majority of the year, outside of the start of the year where Matthews missed some of those games and then started slow. During his 51 in 50 period, the Leafs had a .892 SV% and were giving up 3.37 G/GP. They needed all the offense they could get. The team is also 5-8-2 in the games Matthews doesn’t record a point.

I think the Leafs would suffer pretty similarly this year in terms of falling down the standings without Matthews as Calgary would without Gaudreau or the Oilers would without McDavid. They might be less likely to fall out of the playoffs, but that’s because there’s a huge cushion in the East, which shouldn’t really be held against anyone.

Naah. Maple leafs have 5 other players over 60 points. Flames only have 2 aside from Gaudreau. Oilers only have 1 aside from McDavid.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Mcdavid has 10 PPG (44 PP points) and 12 EN points (7 goals)

Matthews has 16 PPG (29 PP points) and 3 EN points (all goals)

Mcdavid has 27 goals at even strength and he has 38 assists (without the EN)

Matthews has 41 goals at even strength and 33 assists at even strength. (Without the EN)

I left out defensive stats because it isn’t close at all.

This is with Matthews playing 6 less games.

Matthews>Mcdavid

So how come NHL players just voted for McDavid over Matthews in a landslide this season?

 

[Maplebeasts]

So how come NHL players just voted for McDavid over Matthews in a landslide this season?

These are the same guys who think Price and Fleury are the #2 and #2 goalies in the league right?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

So how come NHL players just voted for McDavid over Matthews in a landslide this season?

Because the players who play against the two players every night think one player is clearly better. It’s hard to argue with the players who are the best judges.
And the poster you quoted neglected to say that McDavid had 16 more points and 32 more assists than Matthews. It’s easy to make one player appear better when you only post the stats that favour that player.

 

[Duffalufagus]

Because the players who play against the two players every night think one player is clearly better. It’s hard to argue with the players who are the best judges.

McDavid is the best player in the world. The players know it. That doesn’t inform who deserves the Hart this year. They weren’t asked who had the best season this year.

 

[Regal]

Naah. Maple leafs have 5 other players over 60 points. Flames only have 2 aside from Gaudreau. Oilers only have 1 aside from McDavid.

Aaaand as I wrote, they’ve also had shit goaltending. There’s two sides of the rink. Flames are allowing far fewer goals than the Leafs. Having more top end scorers doesn’t matter if they’re giving up just as much against you make up for it.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Aaaand as I wrote, they’ve also had shit goaltending. There’s two sides of the rink. Flames are allowing far fewer goals than the Leafs. Having more top end scorers doesn’t matter if they’re giving up just as much against you make up for it.

Yet they were still 6-1-1 without him.

Matthews has a very strong argument for the Lindsay. The Hart? Not so much.

He'll still probably win it because of Toronto media bias, but that doesn't mean he deserves it. Huberdeau has the same issue.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Because the players who play against the two players every night think one player is clearly better. It’s hard to argue with the players who are the best judges.
And the poster you quoted neglected to say that McDavid had 16 more points and 32 more assists than Matthews. It’s easy to make one player appear better when you only post the stats that favour that player.

Pretty much this. Their peers voted McDavid the better player this season by a wide margin.

And McDavid widened his lead on Matthews to 17 points (and 33 assists) in the scoring race last night.

 

[Holymakinaw]

LOL. So many losers will claim "Matthews can only win it because media bias" but that's on them. Anyone who wins it this year is 100% deserving, as all the top candidates have had AMAZING seasons this year.

But by all means........keep doing cartwheels for your guy, and keep trying to diminish the other guys because "conspiracies". Pathetic but amusing.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Huh?

Matthews is a generational goal scorer. Been saying it for years.

Take it easy with the persecution complex.

Finally, somebody knows the proper term and isn't calling it a victim complex.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Finally, somebody knows the proper term and isn't calling it a victim complex.

Well whatever you call it........it's a complex issue.