Who signed a 8+ million AAV deal right after their ELC?

[voxel]

Hall, Eberle, Nuge all got close to 10% of the cap after their ELCs

 

[frag2]

Here's the difference between Eichel's situation with the Sabres and Matthews' situation with the Leafs:

Buffalo had nothing glamorous outside of Eichel. Had, they do now have quite a bright future, but when Eichel was getting signed, he was so far and away their biggest prized possession it wasn't even comparable.

Matthews isn't in the same boat in Toronto. As is evidenced by Nylander's absence and the team not missing a single beat offensively. Matthews will get something between Eichel and McDavid, I'm sure, but he won't be able to strong-arm the Leafs the way that Eichel could have done to the Sabres - not to say he did, but he could have if he wanted to.

Matthews will make more than McDavid cap wise if the hard cap goes up. Players are gonna start looking at % of cap instead of just a hard AAV value when negotiating.

 

[Hynh]

Edmonton and Buffalo were desperate to lock in a franchise player for marketing reasons. While McDavid and Eichel are probably worth what they will be paid there was no reason for the teams to go that high on an RFA deal. Eichel benefited from having McDavid in his draft class, any other year he gets less.

Crosby's 2nd contract bought 1 year of UFA for 17.3% of the cap. McDavid's 2nd contract bought 4 years of UFA for 16.7% of the cap.

 

[zar]

Lets then start with who has got 10+% of cap?

Were they all worth it?

Good adjustment... better criteria.

add Ekblad, Stamkos, Kane, Toews, Hall, Eberle

Will be adding Matthews and probably Laine if they sign long terms deals... which I can't see anything other than 8 year deals for those guys.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Blame Buffalo but Eichel's contract set the standard for how much Matthews will get

Not Buffalo's fault; this boost started with Draisaitl getting 8.5 million for riding shotgun with McDavid. Prior to that every (non-generational) player's second contract was sub-8 million.

 

[deckercky]

Doughty should be added to the list too ($7M AAV on a 64.3M cap).

If you are an elite talent, you don't need to accept discounted RFA contracts - you can skip straight to a UFA style compensation.

 

[JeremyTB]

Rick DiPietro laughs at these 8 year deals. 15 year deals is the way to go

 

[Palio]

Your team has not played one real game yet. Bozac,JVR and Nylander is a lot of depth to lose.
I still cant for the life of me figure out why they brought in one of the highest paid UFA centers after drafting a great. 1,2 punch down the middle.

You really can’t understand why they brought in the best UFA to hit the market in the cap era for nothing but cap space? And upgraded their great 1, 2 punch down the middle to a top 2 1,2,3 punch? I am fully confident that the Leafs will fit everyone under the cap, but even if they don’t and have to trade Nylander for example, they have upgraded Nylander to Tavares as well as added whatever assets they get in return for Nylander. It was an absolute no brainer

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Edmonton and Buffalo were desperate to lock in a franchise player for marketing reasons. While McDavid and Eichel are probably worth what they will be paid there was no reason for the teams to go that high on an RFA deal. Eichel benefited from having McDavid in his draft class, any other year he gets less.

Any team would take Connor McDavid at 12.5m a year. Most teams would have found a way to make the 15m max cap hit work.

Also, it isn't just an RFA deal. Connor gave up 4 UFA years in it.

 

[member 147413]

if Barzal get another 80 he should be shooting for at least 9M

He’s getting 10+ if he gets another 80.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Would be a bit more interesting to change into % of cap on first season in which the contract is active, with an indication of how many RFA years and UFA years it bought.

 

[mcpw]

	1st year	cap hit	cap
Alex Ovechkin	2008	9.538	56.7	16.8%
Ilya Kovalchuk	2005	6.4	39	16.4%
Connor McDavid	2018	12.5	79.5	15.7%
Sidney Crosby	2008	8.7	56.7	15.3%
Evgeni Malkin	2009	8.7	56.8	15.3%
Rick Nash	2005	5.4	39	13.8%
Jack Eichel	2018	10	79.5	12.6%
Anze Kopitar	2009	6.8	56.8	12.0%
Steven Stamkos	2011	7.5	64.3	11.7%
Paul Stastny	2009	6.6	56.8	11.6%
Dion Phaneuf	2008	6.5	56.7	11.5%
Leon Draisaitl	2017	8.5	75	11.3%
Niklas Backstrom	2010	6.7	59.4	11.3%
Drew Doughty	2011	7	64.3	10.9%
Erik Karlsson*	2012	6.5	60	10.8%
Jonathan Toews	2010	6.3	59.4	10.6%
Patrick Kane	2010	6.3	59.4	10.6%
Mike Richards	2008	5.75	56.7	10.1%
Aaron Ekblad	2017	7.5	75	10.0%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[sxvnert]

When comparing to past signings you need to use cap % instead of the value.

 

[The Podium]

Your team has not played one real game yet. Bozac,JVR and Nylander is a lot of depth to lose.
I still cant for the life of me figure out why they brought in one of the highest paid UFA centers after drafting a great. 1,2 punch down the middle.

Nylander isn’t lost and Tavares, Johnson and Kapanen will comfortably replace Bozak, JVR and Komarov...

 

[HabsQC]

Problem is you can't compare now to 7-8 years ago when the cap was like 20M less

Just doing a comparison Kane signing for 6.3M in 2010 would be the equivalent of signing for 8.4M now

Yeah like Lundqvist signing 8.5 in 2014 is like Price signing for 10.5 this year, but it's soooo bad

 

[sxvnert]

Your team has not played one real game yet. Bozac,JVR and Nylander is a lot of depth to lose.
I still cant for the life of me figure out why they brought in one of the highest paid UFA centers after drafting a great. 1,2 punch down the middle.

Real strength up the middle. Kadri could work as a #2 but hes far more suited as a #3 shutdown type.

 

[sxvnert]

I honestly blame the Draisaitl contract if all these guys start to get insane contracts.

Oilers dont really have a choice otherwise players would bail the second they turn 25/26.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Matthews will make more than McDavid cap wise if the hard cap goes up. Players are gonna start looking at % of cap instead of just a hard AAV value when negotiating.

Good thing players don't have to because agents do that and obviously they've been looking at % of cap since the beginning of the cap era, because salaries have been increasing steadily along with the cap.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

If Nylander negotiated 8x8, it would put him in line w/ Aaron Ekblad.

I see him closer to 8% of cap though, with Ehlers.

 

[b in vancouver]

Players might point to Draisatl and Eichel but
Teams can also point to Pasternak's $6.7M to keep contracts down.

The problem with 'tank' teams is that they have to point to these young players as the future and it gives them a lot more leverage as teams can't afford to mess around if there either still near the bottom of the league or if the young player is a major reason why they've risen.

ie. Barzal will have a lot of leverage as The Isle can't afford to lose him marketing wise while Laine won't have as much leverage as the Jets still have Wheeler, Scheifele, Buff, etc.

Because of the Tavares signing, Toronto will be the most interesting case. Guarantee without signing him that Nylander would've gotten near what he was asking for and been out on the ice as they wouldn't have been able to sell a dispute to their fans after talking up all three kids for so long and finally having a good season. Now with Tavares, the excitement is baked in and they can play hard-ball.

 

[Mickey Marner]

	1st year	cap hit	cap
Alex Ovechkin	2008	9.538	56.7	16.8%
Ilya Kovalchuk	2005	6.4	39	16.4%
Connor McDavid	2018	12.5	79.5	15.7%
Sidney Crosby	2008	8.7	56.7	15.3%
Evgeni Malkin	2009	8.7	56.8	15.3%
Rick Nash	2005	5.4	39	13.8%
Jack Eichel	2018	10	79.5	12.6%
Anze Kopitar	2009	6.8	56.8	12.0%
Steven Stamkos	2011	7.5	64.3	11.7%
Paul Stastny	2009	6.6	56.8	11.6%
Dion Phaneuf	2008	6.5	56.7	11.5%
Leon Draisaitl	2017	8.5	75	11.3%
Niklas Backstrom	2010	6.7	59.4	11.3%
Drew Doughty	2011	7	64.3	10.9%
Erik Karlsson*	2012	6.5	60	10.8%
Jonathan Toews	2010	6.3	59.4	10.6%
Patrick Kane	2010	6.3	59.4	10.6%
Mike Richards	2008	5.75	56.7	10.1%
Aaron Ekblad	2017	7.5	75	10.0%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Thomas Vanek's offer sheet was 14.2% of the cap as well. Courtesy of, you guessed it, Edmonton. 3 of the top 13 cap percentages for RFAs were signed by the Oilers.

 

[easton117]

Players might point to Draisatl and Eichel but
Teams can also point to Pasternak's $6.7M to keep contracts down.

The problem with 'tank' teams is that they have to point to these young players as the future and it gives them a lot more leverage as teams can't afford to mess around if there either still near the bottom of the league or if the young player is a major reason why they've risen.

ie. Barzal will have a lot of leverage as The Isle can't afford to lose him marketing wise while Laine won't have as much leverage as the Jets still have Wheeler, Scheifele, Buff, etc.

Because of the Tavares signing, Toronto will be the most interesting case. Guarantee without signing him that Nylander would've gotten near what he was asking for and been out on the ice as they wouldn't have been able to sell a dispute to their fans after talking up all three kids for so long and finally having a good season. Now with Tavares, the excitement is baked in and they can play hard-ball.

Ya I’m actually pulling for the Leafs on the Nylander deal. They shart all over that one and overpay it’ll ripple down to other teams.

Matthews is another one. You can’t tell the guy he’s the be all end all, sign a UFA, then tell him we didn’t really mean all that over the last 3 years. Please take a discount. No one does that.

Now that I’ve seen mcpw’s list posted above it makes you wonder how some teams have been able to stay cap compliant at all.

 

[North Cole]

	1st year	cap hit	cap
Alex Ovechkin	2008	9.538	56.7	16.8%
Ilya Kovalchuk	2005	6.4	39	16.4%
Connor McDavid	2018	12.5	79.5	15.7%
Sidney Crosby	2008	8.7	56.7	15.3%
Evgeni Malkin	2009	8.7	56.8	15.3%
Rick Nash	2005	5.4	39	13.8%
Jack Eichel	2018	10	79.5	12.6%
Anze Kopitar	2009	6.8	56.8	12.0%
Steven Stamkos	2011	7.5	64.3	11.7%
Paul Stastny	2009	6.6	56.8	11.6%
Dion Phaneuf	2008	6.5	56.7	11.5%
Leon Draisaitl	2017	8.5	75	11.3%
Niklas Backstrom	2010	6.7	59.4	11.3%
Drew Doughty	2011	7	64.3	10.9%
Erik Karlsson*	2012	6.5	60	10.8%
Jonathan Toews	2010	6.3	59.4	10.6%
Patrick Kane	2010	6.3	59.4	10.6%
Mike Richards	2008	5.75	56.7	10.1%
Aaron Ekblad	2017	7.5	75	10.0%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Seeing Phaneuf in there hurts my soul

 

[North Cole]

Thomas Vanek's offer sheet was 14.2% of the cap as well. Courtesy of, you guessed it, Edmonton. 3 of the top 13 cap percentages for RFAs were signed by the Oilers.

Wait, we signed vanek? Damn, I dont remember that at all

 

[Mickey Marner]

Wait, we signed vanek? Damn, I dont remember that at all

Sabres' Vanek signs offer sheet with Oilers

Buffalo had lost Drury and Briere to free agency just days before, so they matched. Then Edmonton signed Penner and Burke challenged Lowe to a barn fight. Those four picks ended up being Myers, -ironically that pick ended up with Buffalo anyways- MPS, Hall, RNH.