Who is the Tom Brady of the NHL?

[The Toews Era*]

Isn't it a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black when you're saying a 45 point smack down is better? To a lot f people that would be kind of crappy because the opponent couldn't defend.

Atlanta literally had the second worst defense in super bowl history by dvoa. So unless that broncos team was the worst, yes montanas 55-10 is more impressive as is steve youngs 6 td game. Less dramatic sure, but that drama was created by brady putting up more points for the other team (7) than his own (3) in the first half against one of the worst super bowl defenses EVER

 

[The Toews Era*]

It doesn't matter what stats you nitpick. Tom Brady will go down as the greatest player ever to play in the NFL. You don't have to agree, but that's how it is.

Nah, just a cheater surrounded by a great coach and system

 

[missingchicklet]

No current player is even close to being Brady of the NHL. Brady is the greatest QB of all time. Anyone trying to argue that looks foolish. Even more foolish to say he is a cheater and only a product of the system.

 

[The Toews Era*]

And since that fateful game in January 2007 when Manning led the Colts back from a 21-3 deficit2 to win a 38-34 classic over Brady’s Patriots, Brady’s career has been full of disappointing performances in big games. The two Super Bowl losses to the Giants. The two home playoff losses to the Ravens, including the first-quarter meltdown during the 2009 postseason. A home playoff loss to Mark freaking Sanchez. Brady’s playoff victories since that game are over David Garrard, Tim Tebow, Matt Schaub, Philip Rivers playing on a torn ACL, and Joe Flacco in a game when the Patriots needed a shanked 32-yard field goal (after a drop in the end zone) to avoid overtime.

The Manning critics from 2006 would have had that playoff résumé memorized and in all-caps on a hot key. I wrote about this last season (and Jason Lisk did it two years before I did), but Brady’s playoff career looks pretty brutal when viewed in reverse. Whatever Brady had that seemed to separate him from Manning in terms of their big-game performance seems to have dissipated.

http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-tom-brady-peyton-manning/

There is really no answer to the details in this article, still - http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

Cant sweep 40+ games of cheating under the rug. Odd how brady's playoff record and td:int ratio was so much better in the spygate years than after, even as his offense as a whole improved.

 

[Crease]

Nah, just a cheater surrounded by a great coach and system

I'm enjoying this debate TTE. I am. I do think this is a major oversimplification though. At the least, it discredits the incredible amount of work TB12 has put into his career, which reportedly borders on obsessive.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Atlanta literally had the second worst defense in super bowl history by dvoa. So unless that broncos team was the worst, yes montanas 55-10 is more impressive as is steve youngs 6 td game. Less dramatic sure, but that drama was created by brady putting up more points for the other team (7) than his own (3) in the first half against one of the worst super bowl defenses EVER

If a team lets another drop 55 points on them, that defense is ass. Even if it was just for one time that's embarrassing and laugh worthy. I would have said the same thing if the Broncos lost to Carolina by a similar score. There is just no way you can say what you do without laughing and knowing it isn't true. Even if ATL has bottom 2 SB defense the defense is still good enough to help the team into the SB

 

[The Toews Era*]

Minus the spygate era wins and even assuming brady did not cheat after that (which we know to be false given deflategate) there is nothing to separate his playoff record from p mannings, he was even 0-3 vs peyton in playoffs post spygate. Winning only one legitimate super bowl and losing head to head to your main ruval in the playoffs doesnt even put you in the top 30, forget GOAT.

The sbs and wins illegally accrued during spygate will always tarnish his career and legacy. The positive glow directly following an sb win wont change that.

 

[Haatley]

I see you are just tallying up the spygate wins? So lance armstrong has 7 tour de frances amd barry bonds has a perfectly legit home run record? Without the spytape wins, his playoff career looks very similar to peytons. 2 sbs, a mixed bag of wins and losses, some chokes as a huge favorite (vs sanchez, eli, flacco).

http://thebiglead.com/2011/01/17/the-twisted-tale-of-paddy-ice/

Do you know how many teams have got caught "spying"?

The Jets got caught spying on the Pats a year earlier.

The Dolphins bought Tom Brady footage and knew all his signals going into a MNF matchup.

Mike Shanahan hired lip readers for the Broncos.

The Chiefs had the Niners playbook and memorized it before a game.

Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing 'similar stunts' (video taping) while they were coaching.

The list goes on and on and on....

Teams "cheat" a lot more than the Patriots do. Bitter NFL fans are the worst.

"Herm Edwards said that, 'There isn't a team in the league that doesn't try to steal signals [but] I haven't heard about teams recording footage like the Patriots were,' said one longtime NFL a.ssistant coach. 'But you can bet everybody is trying to steal in some way. In fact, you can go to any NFL game and you'll find some coach whose sole job is to look for defensive signals.'"

Interesting quote as well.

 

[The Toews Era*]

Do you know how many teams have got caught "spying"?

The Jets got caught spying on the Pats a year earlier.

The Dolphins bought Tom Brady footage and knew all his signals going into a MNF matchup.

Mike Shanahan hired lip readers for the Broncos.

The Chiefs had the Niners playbook and memorized it before a game.

Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing 'similar stunts' (video taping) while they were coaching.

The list goes on and on and on....

Teams "cheat" a lot more than the Patriots do. Bitter NFL fans are the worst.

Ah the old "other teams maybe cheated too so its cool". Then I guess you consider barry bonds the greatest hitter of all time, since "other people did steroids too" and lance armstrong the best cyclist ever "since others conducted blood doping too"

Also there is the little matter of degree. What the pats were doing was more, much more, than the typical team. There is really no response to this - http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Why do you accuse people of saying things that are different than what they actually said?

 

[Haatley]

Ah the old "other teams maybe cheated too so its cool". Then I guess you consider barry bonds the greatest hitter of all time, since "other people did steroids too" and lance armstrong the best cyclist ever "since others conducted blood doping too"

Also there is the little matter of degree. What the pats were doing was more, much more, than the typical team. There is really no response to this - http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

Every team in the league was stealing signals. You are bitter and just hating on the fact that Brady has overcome the odds time and again. You are a fan.

 

[The Toews Era*]

Every team in the league was stealing signals. You are bitter and just hating on the fact that Brady has overcome the odds time and again. You are a fan.

If im "bitter" then youre an apologist who needs fairy tales to be true i guess. http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

There is no response to what is detailed in that report. Other teams stealing signals legally does not change that. The patriots were welcome to follow the rules, they didnt and used their taping scheme because it gave them an advantage, end of story.

 

[Voight]

Sakic

 

[Voight]

Minus the spygate era wins and even assuming brady did not cheat after that (which we know to be false given deflategate) there is nothing to separate his playoff record from p mannings, he was even 0-3 vs peyton in playoffs post spygate. Winning only one legitimate super bowl and losing head to head to your main ruval in the playoffs doesnt even put you in the top 30, forget GOAT.

The sbs and wins illegally accrued during spygate will always tarnish his career and legacy. The positive glow directly following an sb win wont change that.

Brady was never proven to have anything to do with Deflategate, and even that in itself was pretty farce and turned out to be nothing serious.

Also... Manning has 11 one and dones... Brady has been to 11 AFC championship games. Lots separating them two. & thats with Manning getting the rules changed to help him out, and having pro bowl receivers.

Do you know how many teams have got caught "spying"?

The Jets got caught spying on the Pats a year earlier.

The Dolphins bought Tom Brady footage and knew all his signals going into a MNF matchup.

Mike Shanahan hired lip readers for the Broncos.

The Chiefs had the Niners playbook and memorized it before a game.

Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing 'similar stunts' (video taping) while they were coaching.

The list goes on and on and on....

Teams "cheat" a lot more than the Patriots do. Bitter NFL fans are the worst.

"Herm Edwards said that, 'There isn't a team in the league that doesn't try to steal signals [but] I haven't heard about teams recording footage like the Patriots were,' said one longtime NFL a.ssistant coach. 'But you can bet everybody is trying to steal in some way. In fact, you can go to any NFL game and you'll find some coach whose sole job is to look for defensive signals.'"

Interesting quote as well.

Pats only got "caught" cause ex-assistant Mangina was coaching the Jets and for whatever stupid reason, wanted to get back at his old team. John madden has even said in the 70's, every team was taping signals.

 

[Voight]

Ah the old "other teams maybe cheated too so its cool". Then I guess you consider barry bonds the greatest hitter of all time, since "other people did steroids too" and lance armstrong the best cyclist ever "since others conducted blood doping too"

Also there is the little matter of degree. What the pats were doing was more, much more, than the typical team. There is really no response to this - http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

Bonds never did steroids. There is 0 proof that he ever touched them.

 

[SirPaste]

bonds never did steroids. There is 0 proof that he ever touched them.

lol.

 

[Voight]

lol.

Prove otherwise.

 

[The Toews Era*]

Brady was never proven to have anything to do with Deflategate, and even that in itself was pretty farce and turned out to be nothing serious.

Also... Manning has 11 one and dones... Brady has been to 11 AFC championship games. Lots separating them two. & thats with Manning getting the rules changed to help him out, and having pro bowl receivers.



Pats only got "caught" cause ex-assistant Mangina was coaching the Jets and for whatever stupid reason, wanted to get back at his old team. John madden has even said in the 70's, every team was taping signals.

Hmmm. A guy known as the deflater in text messages who is the same guy caught on tape stealing the balls from ref locker and taking them into a locked room who is the same guy brady frantically called 6 times on the way to destroying his phone. Lmfao if you think this guy "went rogue" and did not do exactly what brady told him. The same guy brady was giving autographed memorabilia for him to turn a tidy profit on. Lol.

 

[The Toews Era*]

lol.

Ya he lost all credibility. Unless there is a videotape of brady deflating the footballs himself on the jumbotron then nothing happened. Classic

 

[Crease]

lol.

Egg whites and quinoa.

 

[keslerburrows]

Gordie Howe or Wayne Gretzky

 

[The Toews Era*]

Egg whites and quinoa.

Hahahahahha

 

[Saintb]

Pretty hard to cheat in the NHL..

 

[Voight]

Hmmm. A guy known as the deflater in text messages who is the same guy caught on tape stealing the balls from ref locker and taking them into a locked room who is the same guy brady frantically called 6 times on the way to destroying his phone. Lmfao if you think this guy "went rogue" and did not do exactly what brady told him. The same guy brady was giving autographed memorabilia for him to turn a tidy profit on. Lol.

the NFL spent millions investigating and Brady was never fully proven to have a part in it.

Besides, they beat the Colts 45-7 with most of the points coming in the second half with footballs that were perfectly inflated.

 

[jetsfan91]

The post i was replying to was best ever super bowl performances. Try to keep things straight.

Also young and montana played in an era where passing rules were much tougher. In this era even the matthew staffords of the world can throw for 5k yards with a high td to int ratio. Cant directly compare stats across eras. Luckily we dont need to, bradys stats are worse than manning rodgers brees in his own era.

Yes and i'm talking Post Season career which I think is a fair measure to illustrate how effective a QB is. Your arguement is all over the place, and you're cherry picking stats to fit your arguement Funny you mention Rodgers, Stafford, Manning, and Bree's. Brady has more Super Bowls then all of those QB's listed COMBINED if you want to talk strictly SB performances