BB06
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Who had a better 2019/20 Season - Ovechkin or Bergeron?
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How about some data and numbers instead of some bubble graphs no one can make a head or tail of? I honestly don't get why everyone feels the need to make all these graphs when the numbers are much more accurate, easier to decipher and easier to find what you're looking for.
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Those are numbers, it's data that isn't made publicly available. Ovechkin's main strength is shot generation, Bergeron's is defense.
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So Ovechkin passed the eye test but Bergeron didn't? That's the first time hearing that.
Bergeron is one of my favorite players to watch and he's terrific but I'm going with the guy who would have scored 50 again and won his 9th Rocket at 34 years old.
Also, why compare these two? Very different players who play different positions and have very different roles on their respective teams. Seems like an add comparison choice.
Also, why compare these two? Very different players who play different positions and have very different roles on their respective teams. Seems like an add comparison choice.
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There are lots of opposite players. Why these two specifically, just your curiosity?
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In terms of defensive engagement, I think how active they are away from the puck is just night and day.
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A "Rocket" Award basically wins this for Ovechkin by itself (in terms of "better season", not necessarily better player).
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Ovechkin. Top line in turmoil all year long, Kuznetsov concussions and coke suspensions which has seen his play go into the toilet. Backstrom having to step up once again to the top line when he really shouldn't be there at this point in his career either.
Watch the games, it's Ovechkin. Also, this isn't going the way OP hoped I assume.
Watch the games, it's Ovechkin. Also, this isn't going the way OP hoped I assume.
Bergeron plays with a crazy stacked line so it's really hard to tell. I think I'd prefer Bergeron on my team but I'd have to say Ovechkin was probably "better"
Pasta easily is the most important, best player on that team right now.
Holymakinaw
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Your question makes no sense. Only one of them cab win in this thread's "who had the better season" question. So it's Ovechkin.
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The implication is that you watched both heavily. Ovechkin isn't a player that bodes well for the eye-test being so one-dimensional, whereas Bergeron is the opposite.
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Don’t say eye test when you mean points
I would strongly disagree with that. The eye test tends to place a lot less focus on the dimension of play where Bergeron is better, especially for forwards.
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Eye test is for things that don't usually show up on stats. What are you seeing from Ovechkin that doesn't show up on the stat sheet really?
TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
That might be how the eye test should work, but in practice, that's not what most people are referencing when they talk about the eye test. They are mostly referencing things like skating speed, physicality, puck carrying, etc.
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I think there's a difference between highlights and eye test though. You can watch a highlight reel of Ovechkin goals and see him showcasing those things, but watching him for 20 minutes a game is a different experience. There's a lot more to Bergeron's game that you can see him impacting than Ovechkin in any given game.
Varan
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In terms of offensive engagement, they're night and day. One needs 2 star wingers and another has a partner who has played below his standards, with changing linemates every other week
I love Bergeron but having 2 offensive juggernauts makes it easy for you to just focus on defense
nowhereman
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I'll actually go with Bergeron here. Normally, I'd choose OV without much hesitation (except maybe last season) but he felt a bit one dimensional this season. Beyond his uninvolved defensive play, his Richard was really won over the course of a handful of games where he scored 14 goals and instantly jumped to the top of the goal scoring race. Outside of that, though, I didn't see enough consistent dominance throughout the season to go with him.
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PatriceBergeronFan
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It isn't exactly a poor premise... depends on the fan's philosophy. Well rounded game or pure offensive forward.... a very established debate we will see for many years.
PatriceBergeronFan
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I think you are confusing eye test with what can be easily found on paper, in goals/assists. Boston fans are quite spoiled.
The eye test for a knowledgeable hockey fan is exactly where Bergeron has the advantage over any other player.
