I think people are overrating what Pacioretty is bringing for his 7 million. I'm not arguing that we aren't better off with him, and if Stone is Kucherov'ed the point for this year is moot, but for next year he's on the last year of his deal, is always getting hurt he's a streaky scorer, is probably on the decline due to age, doesn't really bring much if he isn't scoring goals, etc. I'm not saying he's Kolesar (who to my mind is barely an AHL'er much less the NHL), only that if it's Smith or Pacioretty who stays, it's clear who I and most here favor.
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I think people are overrating what Pacioretty is bringing for his 7 million. I'm not arguing that we aren't better off with him, and if Stone is Kucherov'ed the point for this year is moot, but for next year he's on the last year of his deal, is always getting hurt he's a streaky scorer, is probably on the decline due to age, doesn't really bring much if he isn't scoring goals, etc. I'm not saying he's Kolesar (who to my mind is barely an AHL'er much less the NHL), only that if it's Smith or Pacioretty who stays, it's clear who I and most here favor.
I think most here wouldn't be too bent out of shape if Patches was traded. Most astute hockey fans can separate what makes for a good playoff performer compared to a regular season performer and its pretty clear Smith>Patches in the playoffs and playoff success is really all that people care about.
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I was thinking that too. You don’t want other teams thinking you’re in a desperate situation. Hard to get good value if they think that.
Nobody may be going this season now but this 21-22 forward group probably looks radically different to whatever the 23-24 team is after next season.
22 UFA- Smith, Janmark
23 UFA- Pacioretty, Dadonov
24 UFA- Marchessault, Stephenson, Carrier
Unless Roy signs long term this offseason as an RFA he would be on this list as well. Patrick, Howden, Roy and Kolesar all have arbitration rights the next two offseasons.
22 UFA- Smith, Janmark
23 UFA- Pacioretty, Dadonov
24 UFA- Marchessault, Stephenson, Carrier
Unless Roy signs long term this offseason as an RFA he would be on this list as well. Patrick, Howden, Roy and Kolesar all have arbitration rights the next two offseasons.
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Howden kind of reminds me of when they traded for Cousins and he did so well that they couldn't afford to qualify him. Hopefully he's another Nosek at least.
Here's to 3 more years of Marchessault & Stephenson being bargain contracts. Maybe they can convert Cormier into a superstar forward, since they have better success with developing the dmen prospects.
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I just wanna say I love the whole Cap Circumvention thing with Stone. I think the second best team won last year because of it so I would love to see you guys completely go over board this year and add a whole 3rd line of players and just throw them on LTIR also....dress them just for the playoffs. Lets Go Knights baby!
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Roy has been a successful Swiss army knife player who is very valuable and not so easy to find.
Patrick actually has Smith like advanced stats, if he can get some more points in his game he can be truly fantastic, and he's shown he has the skill so it could still fall for him with an extended period with good linemates or linemates with which he could develop chemistry.
Howden certainly hasn't been easily replaceable as a bottom six player for us.
Even Kolesar provides at least some of the physicality we sorely lack now and we may rue at playoff time.
I like Howden's development, he sucked with NYR, probably says something about why we're always a top team. Patrick has some moves, he was the #2 pick in the draft, but he's soft as Kleenex and one hit away from a career threatening concussion. Kolesar is a liability for the most part. I didn't say they don't help us, primarily Howden, but all 3 are replaceable by any number of players.
I just don't think they are as easily replaced like that, outside of Kolesar (and Carrier) if you can find big speedy wingers who can work hard, provide energy, deliver hits and fight when necessary.
Roy is big part of the team, Howden could be breaking out and Patrick might have more there and at the least is a very versatile bottom six forward you could put in most all situations.
And the three of them are still on the younger side so help us on the age front, and shouldn't be so prohibitive to keep a few more seasons.
The more I think of them setting up the next few seasons, I think a Pacioretty trade in the summer seems more likely.
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IceNeophyte
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And two of the three are near minimum salary, the other is 1.2. Losing them wouldnt clear cap.
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Golden Knights GM addresses Marc-Andre Fleury reunion rumors
No, VGK not interested in reacquiring Flower
No, VGK not interested in reacquiring Flower
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Gms are not truthful when it comes to these type of things. So take whatever the gm says with a grain of salt.
That was very emphatic. They don't normally comment at all on it, let alone in very clear and strong language.
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Even then, I still don't believe him. Same thing happens when gms say that a coach is safe, but gets fired a few days later.
CupInSIX
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Yeah but Dallas is crawling back into the Wildcard picture.
