Who do you think should get the axe?

[Gene Parmesan]

Hey guys
Leafs fan coming in peace
I feel your pain and while you wont admit it, I think you still have a direction.

Anyway my post is about TM. It seems most here agree he is still a good coach but either he wants to leave or his time is just up

I was wondering if you could give a little detailed summary of his system. You know like 5 on 5 play and special teams and any weaknesses he has

just looking at potential coaches my Leafs could look into and if my belief is right, Leafs were interested in TM in the summer
Thanks guys!
Good luck in this off season

His system is pretty similiar to Babcock's.

 

[SactoShark]

His record and track record of player development makes me think that him taking a year off won't hurt him.

I agree he will find work with whoever is looking. But that's the issue for him at least. His next assignment could be a lot worse in terms of location and roster.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I agree he will find work with whoever is looking. But that's the issue for him at least. His next assignment could be a lot worse in terms of location and roster.

I think 3 teams make sense if he were to leave. Philly, Pittsburgh and NYI.

 

[SactoShark]

Hey guys
Leafs fan coming in peace
I feel your pain and while you wont admit it, I think you still have a direction.

Anyway my post is about TM. It seems most here agree he is still a good coach but either he wants to leave or his time is just up

I was wondering if you could give a little detailed summary of his system. You know like 5 on 5 play and special teams and any weaknesses he has

just looking at potential coaches my Leafs could look into and if my belief is right, Leafs were interested in TM in the summer
Thanks guys!
Good luck in this off season

Expects a ton from forwards in terms of two-way play. Hard forechecking, cycling, and even harder back checking. It's all puck hounding and driving as many shots toward the net as possible. Have you seen how many shots the Sharks put up?

D is sorta passive, but they all hold the zone very well when it's right. Drive a lot of shots looking for traffic and tips. Special teams have been up and down. Used to be they were at the tops in both. But the PK has not been right in a while and the PP was large part of why they lost those infamous 4 games to the Kings.

I'd say he's just very good at coaching decision making. He employs an effort / reward system of ice time that will leave you scratching your head in terms of line shuffling, but I don't know that's any different than a lot of coaches out there.

He's a very good coach, even if I or others don't like his style. Guy shows so little emotion and shares so little in his process I'm not sure how the Toronto media would fill their papers.

I think 3 teams make sense if he were to leave. Philly, Pittsburgh and NYI.

Those would all work out for him I bet. NYI would be the best.

 

[thasanjoseshawksdood*]

He was detroits powerplay specialist if that has any merit.

 

[Sharksrule04]

Just because his goal totals didn't measure up to his normal years doesn't mean he took the season off. That kind of comment makes it out like he just decided he didn't want to try when that's a bunch of crap. You want to say he sucked, that's fine. But there's no basis to say he took the season off. That's just ridiculous.

Exactly the comment is absurd. People just like to make things sound worse than they actually are. Players aren't perfect and they sometimes have bad games, months, or seasons. Marleau had a bad season. He didn't "take it off". Pretty sure I saw him skating and playing hockey. Also let's be real for a minute, he still scored 19 goals and almost had 60 points. Not horrible for a "bad season" especially consider how much the scoring is down around the league. We didn't even have a player eclipse 90 points this season and only 1 players scored more than 40 goals. Anyone who thinks Marleau is a bad player shouldn't watch the sport.

 

[casubieowner]

Exactly the comment is absurd. People just like to make things sound worse than they actually are. Players aren't perfect and they sometimes have bad games, months, or seasons. Marleau had a bad season. He didn't "take it off". Pretty sure I saw him skating and playing hockey. Also let's be real for a minute, he still scored 19 goals and almost had 60 points. Not horrible for a "bad season" especially consider how much the scoring is down around the league. We didn't even have a player eclipse 90 points this season and only 1 players scored more than 40 goals. Anyone who thinks Marleau is a bad player shouldn't watch the sport.

The issue I have with Marleau is that he avoids finishing checks on opposing players and doesn't sacrifice the body on the PK like Couture and Pavelski, for example. If he doesn't want to do that then he shouldn't be on the PK.

I remember he cost us game 4 in the 2007 Stanley Cup playoffs against Detroit when he failed to block a shot by Robert Lang (when they pulled their goalie for an extra attacker) that tied the game. The game went into OT that the Sharks eventually lost. Instead of being up 3 - 1, it's 2 - 2 and we eventually lose that series in 6 games

 

[Sharksrule04]

The issue I have with Marleau is that he avoids finishing checks on opposing players and doesn't sacrifice the body on the PK like Couture and Pavelski, for example. If he doesn't want to do that then he shouldn't be on the PK.

I remember he cost us game 4 in the 2007 Stanley Cup playoffs against Detroit when he failed to block a shot by Robert Lang (when they pulled their goalie for an extra attacker) that tied the game. The game went into OT that the Sharks eventually lost. Instead of being up 3 - 1, it's 2 - 2 and we eventually lose that series in 6 games

I have personally always been of the opinion that finishing your checks is the most overrated thing in the history of hockey. It's pushed by people who just can't think outside the box and simply want "old-time" North American hockey. Hitting is essential to the game and can be very important but hitting a guy after the puck has already moved elsewhere is useless. It takes you out of the play 100% of the time, and takes the player who was already out of the play out of the play. You're sacrificing yourself and preventing yourself from playing defense and being in position to defend against the developing play. Finishing your checks is effective or actually providing value maybe 10% of the time and those are situations where a player could have immediately impacted the play and due to the hit is not a step behind or taken out of it.

I'd much rather a guy not think he has to make a big meaningless hit and continue on down the ice a backcheck or pick up a player who is a dangerous recipient of the next pass.

 

[mikebel111*]

Expects a ton from forwards in terms of two-way play. Hard forechecking, cycling, and even harder back checking. It's all puck hounding and driving as many shots toward the net as possible. Have you seen how many shots the Sharks put up?

D is sorta passive, but they all hold the zone very well when it's right. Drive a lot of shots looking for traffic and tips. Special teams have been up and down. Used to be they were at the tops in both. But the PK has not been right in a while and the PP was large part of why they lost those infamous 4 games to the Kings.

I'd say he's just very good at coaching decision making. He employs an effort / reward system of ice time that will leave you scratching your head in terms of line shuffling, but I don't know that's any different than a lot of coaches out there.

He's a very good coach, even if I or others don't like his style. Guy shows so little emotion and shares so little in his process I'm not sure how the Toronto media would fill their papers.



Those would all work out for him I bet. NYI would be the best.

Thanks for the info. Looks like he has a nice effective system and puck possession one at that. specialty teams might be a little concern.

Thanks for the details again

 

[Boy Hedican]

Todd doesn't deserve it really, but he's going to get let go I believe. But I think its mutual. He doesn't want to be part of a rebuild and wants to compete. It won't come off as a firing, just a mutual agreement. We'll get someone ****** like Nolan who can make us a bottom team for another season or two until we draft the next big thing. Then he'll get fired and rewarded for doing a crap job like he was hired to do.

 

[zombie kopitar]

Exactly the comment is absurd. People just like to make things sound worse than they actually are. Players aren't perfect and they sometimes have bad games, months, or seasons. Marleau had a bad season. He didn't "take it off". Pretty sure I saw him skating and playing hockey. Also let's be real for a minute, he still scored 19 goals and almost had 60 points. Not horrible for a "bad season" especially consider how much the scoring is down around the league. We didn't even have a player eclipse 90 points this season and only 1 players scored more than 40 goals. Anyone who thinks Marleau is a bad player shouldn't watch the sport.

I don't see anyone calling him a bad player, what so ever. I just think it's time to part ways and get a couple younger assets for him. We'd probably be able to get Gallager and a decent pick/prospect for instance.

He had a piss poor season, if mediocrity from an elite player is ok with you, then fine he didn't take the season off. It's absurd how far you're running with my comment. (wont even comment on Pink b/c I expected it)

Marleau is a guy who can take it to another gear, we've seen it time and time again....except not this season. It's more than scoring goals with him, he needs to lead this team and play with passion, and you know not play **** defense as a known great 2way player.
He is the longest tenured Shark and the most he's ever done for this team was 11 years ago now (04 playoffs), I just think the axe should probably fall on him in principle.

 

[wishman]

Should: Wilson
Will: McLellan

I like McLellan, but I think he's as good as gone.

Agreed. I'm hoping since McLellan is under contract that DW can try to get a draft pick from whatever team is looking to hire him. I know its not likely to play out this way, but with the new rules in place for draft pick compensation for coaches/management, I think DW would at least consider this.

edit - Looks like compensation would only be a 3rd round pick at the new teams choosing in the next 3 years. So probably not worth holding out for this.

 

[Alwalys]

Marleau did come as close to taking the season off as a player of his caliber does. Mentally he was just not there this season.
He still has it, we saw it at times especially down the stretch. But as far as bringing it every night he just did not.
He is the top defensive forward on this team, and when the team has an abysmal defensive year, that's an indicator that he was not up to snuff.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don't see anyone calling him a bad player, what so ever. I just think it's time to part ways and get a couple younger assets for him. We'd probably be able to get Gallager and a decent pick/prospect for instance.

He had a piss poor season, if mediocrity from an elite player is ok with you, then fine he didn't take the season off. It's absurd how far you're running with my comment. (wont even comment on Pink b/c I expected it)

Marleau is a guy who can take it to another gear, we've seen it time and time again....except not this season. It's more than scoring goals with him, he needs to lead this team and play with passion, and you know not play **** defense as a known great 2way player.
He is the longest tenured Shark and the most he's ever done for this team was 11 years ago now (04 playoffs), I just think the axe should probably fall on him in principle.

It's more along the lines of the misuse of the phrase "taking the season off". Having a bad season isn't taking the season off. Not trying the whole year is taking the season off. There's a big difference.

 

[sharski]

Todd doesn't deserve it really, but he's going to get let go I believe. But I think its mutual. He doesn't want to be part of a rebuild and wants to compete. It won't come off as a firing, just a mutual agreement. We'll get someone ****** like Nolan who can make us a bottom team for another season or two until we draft the next big thing. Then he'll get fired and rewarded for doing a crap job like he was hired to do.

in b4 "mutual agreement" for TMac to go

followed by "mutual agreements" for Jumbo, Patty to be traded & Niemi to be allowed to walk as well

followed by DW "mutual agreement" with the fans that the team will once again miss the playoffs next year (or 3)

 

[Eighth Fret]

it should be dw, but at this point, i hope it's maclellan and that he goes on to win a cup with buffalo in a few years. he deserves better than what he's getting here.

 

[5H4RK5]

I say watch tape and whoever decided to put Burns at D instantly fired he should only be a Dman on the PP. Depends on if Tmac stays or not we might have to trade a considerable amount of the team if we do get a new coach. I think we need a new get at it philosophy.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I say watch tape and whoever decided to put Burns at D instantly fired he should only be a Dman on the PP. Depends on if Tmac stays or not we might have to trade a considerable amount of the team if we do get a new coach. I think we need a new get at it philosophy.

Burns was tied for 5th in even strength points this year. He does wonders for the team's offense from the back end and they don't have anyone remotely close to what he does. Give him some time to learn and a better defensive partner and maybe things will improve with him.

 

[zombie kopitar]

Burns was tied for 5th in even strength points this year. He does wonders for the team's offense from the back end and they don't have anyone remotely close to what he does. Give him some time to learn and a better defensive partner and maybe things will improve with him.

yup agreed, Boyle was better in the transition and breakout, but Burns is a much bigger threat and QB once in the zone imo. Their D game isn't far off either, Burns just hasn't found the right guy to play with...Braun plays the left side fine, they should give that a shot.



I was thinking earlier though that the Hertl-Jumbo-Burns line was easily one of the most exciting lines to have been put together league wide over the last 5 years.
**** you Dustin Brown, **** you very much

 

[Gene Parmesan]

I say watch tape and whoever decided to put Burns at D instantly fired he should only be a Dman on the PP. Depends on if Tmac stays or not we might have to trade a considerable amount of the team if we do get a new coach. I think we need a new get at it philosophy.

Well Jacques LeMaire (you know, one of the greatest hockey minds ever) is retired so you can't fire him.

 

[hohosaregood]

I say watch tape and whoever decided to put Burns at D instantly fired he should only be a Dman on the PP. Depends on if Tmac stays or not we might have to trade a considerable amount of the team if we do get a new coach. I think we need a new get at it philosophy.

Well...I guess that would be Tmac back in 2004.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Fire TMac and Jacques!

 

[SJGoalie32]

Well, taking into account how this Sharks organization is run, I'm sure the person who will be fired for this debacle will be......

Dan Rusanowsky

 

[Sarge15]

Well, taking into account how this Sharks organization is run, I'm sure the person who will be fired for this debacle will be......

Dan Rusanowsky

Nah, Dan isn't honest enough. Maybe they'll try to start firing the media

 

[5H4RK5]

The people that blame others are usually the ones that are failing. I like Pavs and Couture because they want to be the best and are vocal while not putting anyone down in the process. DW and JT need to grow up fast they have the education of preschool kids. Whoever came up with the idea of Burns on D should be fired but maybe one more chance? He was killer as a forward. Where were we last year when Burns was on O, oh yeah the playoffs? Where are we now because he was on D, nowhere to be found.