Really surprised a few don't have Landeskog as an untouchable. The guy was a monster his rookie year, willing this team to wins some nights. Yeah, he took a step back last year (concussion played a role) but I have no doubt he will bounce back. He's absolutely an untouchable with MacKinnon and Duchene.
Varly has to prove himself. If he had another bad year, he probably won't be on the team beyond this season.
And Duchene after a nice rebounding season is a also untouchable while most of ya want his head last season, so basically, core is whomever who had a good season and then to the next season
Really surprised a few don't have Landeskog as an untouchable. The guy was a monster his rookie year, willing this team to wins some nights. Yeah, he took a step back last year (concussion played a role) but I have no doubt he will bounce back. He's absolutely an untouchable with MacKinnon and Duchene.
Varly has to prove himself. If he had another bad year, he probably won't be on the team beyond this season.
IMO ya guys can build on Duchene, Landeskog, MacKinnon and RoR, that is a damn good forward core... untouchable? if the right deal come along, any of them can and will be moved.
I guess you can say Sakic/Roy haven't committed to Landeskog because they didn't draft him or make him captain but I think he's right there with Duchene and MacKinnon. He's a big part of the core and our new management probably sees it that way as well.
Really surprised a few don't have Landeskog as an untouchable. The guy was a monster his rookie year, willing this team to wins some nights. Yeah, he took a step back last year (concussion played a role) but I have no doubt he will bounce back. He's absolutely an untouchable with MacKinnon and Duchene.
Varly has to prove himself. If he had another bad year, he probably won't be on the team beyond this season.
We wanted his head because he was playing like a immature junior player out on the ice and wasn't owning up to his potential, pulling spin-o-ramas and playing selfishly. We were also disappointed that he couldn't carry our dreadful offense and that he was having a down season as opposed to the year before.
But no one in their right mind didn't refer to him as core at the very least going forward. Nor did we seriously want him traded.
As for Landeskog, he's also considered core, some people are just less sure of his upside compared to others because he got too fancy last season. He too has some growing up to do like Duchene did.
The only one who'd be moved for a "right deal" that is plausible would be O'Reilly. Management just locked Duchene up. And they drafted MacKinnon. And I seriously doubt Landy would be going anywhere.
The only "right deals" that would pry Duchene, MacKinnon, and Landeskog from the Avs would involve serious over-payment. Like Crosby+Malkin+ over-payment IMO. Which is not very likely to happen.
So, truly untouchable? Only ones who know that would be Avs management. Settle for virtually untouchable. Hence, Duchene and MacKinnon are untouchable. Avs drafted MacK and signed Duchene long-term. They won't be going anywhere. Only question mark would be Landeskog (as others have said, management hasn't really interacted with him to the extent of Duchene/MacKinnon), but it's doubtful he'll go anywhere. Avs will sign him to an extension when they can IMO.
Ohhh please if the right offer came along you sure as hell will see any player will go. Did you not Think the Blues said the same thing about Johnson Before he got shipped to the Avs? or Schneider to Devils? or Thornton to Sharks?
**** happen and anyone of them can be traded for the right price and it wont be for Malkin+Crosby kind of players either. We fans are just delusional but fact is, depending on situation and need, any of OReilly, Landeskog or MacKinnon can be traded.
And I dont understand, so what if the Avs signed a long term contract with Duchene? Longer deals have been signed in NHL and traded still happen. Same thing with MacKinnon, the Avs drafted him because they feel he is the best player in this draft, sure they gonna make commitment to him, but if the right deal come along then so what if the Avs drafted him? Trades gonna happen.
But ofcourse, trades for player like Landeskog, Duchene, MacKinnon rarely happen....however it happens.
Ohhh please if the right offer came along you sure as hell will see any player will go. Did you not Think the Blues said the same thing about Johnson Before he got shipped to the Avs? or Schneider to Devils? or Thornton to Sharks?
**** happen and anyone of them can be traded for the right price and it wont be for Malkin+Crosby kind of players either. We fans are just delusional but fact is, depending on situation and need, any of OReilly, Landeskog or MacKinnon can be traded.
And I dont understand, so what if the Avs signed a long term contract with Duchene? Longer deals have been signed in NHL and traded still happen. Same thing with MacKinnon, the Avs drafted him because they feel he is the best player in this draft, sure they gonna make commitment to him, but if the right deal come along then so what if the Avs drafted him? Trades gonna happen.
But ofcourse, trades for player like Landeskog, Duchene, MacKinnon rarely happen....however it happens.
I don't think you understood his post. It's a question based on who they presently see as the future group of players to build around. Again, it's as of now. This is what makes your Johnson reference erroneous.
I Think you need to see my past post in this thread, Im saying that Landeskog, Duchene, MacKinnon and RoR its a nice package to build around as a core of forwards... but anyone can be moved and there is no untouchables which is why I refer to Johnson, Thornton and Schneider, that is players that is supposed to be core and players to build around but still they managed to get traded because of different situation at the time.
And my reply to him have nothing to do with which Group of players the Avs is gonna build around... its about anyone can be traded.
The post you responded to specifically parsed out absolutely untradeable vs virtually untradeable. He's right to put it in terms of realistic scenarioss, which you don't seem to be grasping. You seem to be still fixated on the absolutely untradeable argument.
Also, I see you're still not grasping that this is as of now. We all know things can change but that's not really even relevant.
Yes I dont understand actually, I quote this part:
"The only one who'd be moved for a "right deal" that is plausible would be O'Reilly. Management just locked Duchene up. And they drafted MacKinnon. And I seriously doubt Landy would be going anywhere."
And then therefor my reply. As for realistic scenarios yes I agreed with what he said regarding Duchene, MacKinnon and Landy, but realistic scenarios is still that any of them can be traded and not just OReilly.
Yep. But I'd like to think Radar is in the mix as well.
O'Reilly and Sarich.
Thats it.
The big three forwards. I could see any other player getting traded besides them.
3 players aren't getting moved no matter the deal: Duchene, MacKinnon and Landeskog
2nd tier (meaning aren't getting moved short of massive overpayment): Varlamov, EJ, ROR, PAP, any of our top prospects (Bigras, Siemens, Barrie, Elliott, Hishon, Sgarbossa)
Everyone else is expendable and for the right deals could be had.
Crosby and Malkin with retained salary for Landeskog. Still no trade?