Speculation: Which players from likely 1st round exits should we target

[XX]

Thoughts?

Does he play the left (he's a LH shot)? Why would the Coyotes trade for a 34 year old when you could just retain Morris for half the price?

He's the wrong Stuart. Winnipeg got a good deal on the right one.

 

[IPreferPi]

Does he play the left (he's a LH shot)? Why would the Coyotes trade for a 34 year old when you could just retain Morris for half the price?

He's the wrong Stuart. Winnipeg got a good deal on the right one.

Stuart prefers the right. I'd say over his career he's clearly been a better SAH defender than Morris

 

[KG]

On trade board sharks fan would trade 40g scoer palveski for a #2/#3 LHD. Now that is a player I'd swap Yandle for.

 

[IPreferPi]

On trade board sharks fan would trade 40g scoer palveski for a #2/#3 LHD. Now that is a player I'd swap Yandle for.

Yeah, I'd reluctantly do that

 

[rt]

Does he play the left (he's a LH shot)? Why would the Coyotes trade for a 34 year old when you could just retain Morris for half the price?

He's the wrong Stuart. Winnipeg got a good deal on the right one.

The nice thing about Stuart is that his contract is expiring. I think it's a little risky to go with only Michalek, Stone, Murphy, and nobody down in the farm along the right side, next season. We could try to sign Fayne or Stralman if they should actually hit the market, but they'd be looking at three or four year deals, probably. That creates a little bit more of a log-jam, than I'd like. Of course, you are right, Morris at 1.8m might make more sense than Stuart at 3.6m. Though, I do agree with IPPi, if all else were equal, I'd prefer Stuart. Perhaps SJ would eat a little salary?

 

[rt]

On trade board sharks fan would trade 40g scoer palveski for a #2/#3 LHD. Now that is a player I'd swap Yandle for.

Yeah, I'd reluctantly do that

It's a tough call. We don't have Joe Thornton to feed him pucks (Pavelski has predominantly played LW with Jumbo at C and Burns at RW, IIRC).

We could offer an EXTREMELY poor man's version of that set up, of course. If we put him with Doan(older slower Burns) and Ribeiro(smaller, poorer JT).

Pavelski-Ribeiro-Doan

Which could be especially nice because Pavs is RHS and an EXCELLENT F/O guy, who could take the draws for Ribs.

Or I suppose he could center his own line, allowing Ribs to move to wing with the Czechs. He'd certainly give us a lot more options.

It'd be tough to do, but it'd probably be worth it.

 

[IPreferPi]

Offered it up, the counter is Yandle and Korpi for Pavelski+

 

[rt]

Offered it up, the counter is Yandle and Korpi for Pavelski+

Andrew Desjardins? With Pavs filling the role of RH FO specialist, we could afford to have Desjardins as the spark plug, 4th line energy PKer.

 

[Grimes]

Andrew Desjardins? With Pavs filling the role of RH FO specialist, we could afford to have Desjardins as the spark plug, 4th line energy PKer.

Man this looks good to me. This would be hard to turn down.

I have no interest in Stuart however.

It's going to be an interesting offseason.

 

[IPreferPi]

Andrew Desjardins? With Pavs filling the role of RH FO specialist, we could afford to have Desjardins as the spark plug, 4th line energy PKer.

My initial counter was Yandle, Korpi, and the 2014 CHI 2nd for Pavelski, Stuart with 33% salary retention, and Brown's UFA rights. Which Sharks HFers seemed to go for. Not sure if they'd want to throw in Desjardins instead, but it's worth a try.

Anyways, Pavelski gives us *a lot* of lineup versatility. And as you said, we could then stick with Chipchura or another LH 4C in UFA with Pavelski being our RH faceoff guy. My initial go with a lineup (with the above counter) would be something like:

Ribeiro (5.5) - Hanzal (3.25) - Vrbata (4)
Domi (0.92) - Pavelski (6) - Boedker (2.8)
Doan (5.05) - Vermette (3.75) - Erat (2.25)
McMillan (0.75) - Chipchura (0.875) - Brown (0.8)
Szwarz (0.65)

OEL (4) - Michalek (4)
Gormley (0.84) - Stuart (2.4)
Summers (0.8) - Stone (1.2)
Schlemko (1.275)

Smith (6)
Greiss (1.25)

Total Salary: 59.36M

 

[RemoAZ]

Can't see a trade like that within the division happening.

 

[rt]

It's so great toying with Pavelski in the line-up......


.....until you get to organizing the D pairings. Ugh. Not pretty.

 

[IPreferPi]

It's so great toying with Pavelski in the line-up......


.....until you get to organizing the D pairings. Ugh. Not pretty.

Yeah, it's a gamble to suddenly throw in Gormley into Top 4 minutes - Tippett would probably have to shelter him as much as he did Yandle. Having someone like Stuart as his partner should stabilize things somewhat, though.

 

[IPreferPi]

Sharks HFers seem to be willing to go as low as a 5th + Schlemko for Stuart without retention. They really don't want to retain and apparently are willing to add to take him off their roster, haha.

 

[rt]

Yandle, Korpikoski, Schlemko for Pavelski, Desjardins, Stuart?

 

[Sciamachy]

I'm not at all taken in by Pavelskis numbers this year. Good player for sure, but he's 30, slow and I'd bet doesn't come close to those numbers again, let alone on a team with far less offensive power than the Sharks. He's a 60 point guy due 30M over the next 5 years, and I'm willing to bet his game falls off before that contract is up, and when his game falls it's going to fall hard because of his skating. This season will drive his value up far beyond what it should be and we better not be the team to pay it if SJ blows their roster up.

 

[rt]

Those are valid concerns.

 

[Grimes]

Yeah and honestly I doubt either team would trade those kinds of assets within the division. But the more moving parts in the offseason the more likely we land a top 6 winger that we hadn't thought was attainable.

 

[cobra427]

I'm not at all taken in by Pavelskis numbers this year. Good player for sure, but he's 30, slow and I'd bet doesn't come close to those numbers again, let alone on a team with far less offensive power than the Sharks. He's a 60 point guy due 30M over the next 5 years, and I'm willing to bet his game falls off before that contract is up, and when his game falls it's going to fall hard because of his skating. This season will drive his value up far beyond what it should be and we better not be the team to pay it if SJ blows their roster up.

I agree with this, I think Pavelski's value has likely peaked. He is a solid player but his points might be inflated on that roster. Think of the points Yandle would generate on that roster, 10 to 15 more, and with a decent partner his +/- would be much better. I think Yandle's value can increase the next few years but not Pavelski's. I would not trade Yandle for Pavelski even with a +....

 

[letowskie]

I'm not at all taken in by Pavelskis numbers this year. Good player for sure, but he's 30, slow and I'd bet doesn't come close to those numbers again, let alone on a team with far less offensive power than the Sharks. He's a 60 point guy due 30M over the next 5 years, and I'm willing to bet his game falls off before that contract is up, and when his game falls it's going to fall hard because of his skating. This season will drive his value up far beyond what it should be and we better not be the team to pay it if SJ blows their roster up.

Good points, I probably wouldn't sell the farm for Pavs at the moment.

What do you guys think about Hertl, if there is a chance for a deal based around Hertl + for Yandle + ?

 

[Sinurgy]

I'm not at all taken in by Pavelskis numbers this year. Good player for sure, but he's 30, slow and I'd bet doesn't come close to those numbers again, let alone on a team with far less offensive power than the Sharks. He's a 60 point guy due 30M over the next 5 years, and I'm willing to bet his game falls off before that contract is up, and when his game falls it's going to fall hard because of his skating. This season will drive his value up far beyond what it should be and we better not be the team to pay it if SJ blows their roster up.

Agreed, I think it's foolish to target players coming off unusually productive seasons and I sure as hell wouldn't give up Yandle for one!

 

[Grimes]

What do you guys think about Hertl, if there is a chance for a deal based around Hertl + for Yandle + ?

Hypothetically I think the Sharks would do that. They don't know what Hertl's ceiling is and how the injury will affect him and Yandle answers quite a few questions for them, allows them to keep Thorton and Marlaeu and possibly contend. Realistically I can't imagine they would make that trade with AZ though as they probably don't want to be burned by him in the future.

Gotta imagine Pav is on the Blue's radar and a Shattinkirk + trade could get it done. Which could free up some of the Blues; Ott, Berglund and maybe more. I'm on the fence about Berglund, but if we don't have to give up much it could be worthwhile.

 

[letowskie]

Hypothetically I think the Sharks would do that. They don't know what Hertl's ceiling is and how the injury will affect him and Yandle answers quite a few questions for them, allows them to keep Thorton and Marlaeu and possibly contend. Realistically I can't imagine they would make that trade with AZ though as they probably don't want to be burned by him in the future.

I guess that's probably fair.

If Yandle is to be moved, I would like him to be moved for someone like Hertl, on the upward trajectory, and has at least the same potential as KY.

 

[Grimes]

If Yandle is to be moved, I would like him to be moved for someone like Hertl, on the upward trajectory, and has at least the same potential as KY.

Same here. Tyler Johnson or Palat look enticing, but I'm not sure if either come without enough risks to pull the trigger. I wonder if a Stone or Murphy + Korpi could bring in TyJo

Out of the playoff teams first round exits I think it's obvious that the Bolts, Stars and Avs desperately need more help on the blueline, especially with puck movers.. SJ really only needs that top pairing puck mover and the Blues...well I don't know how the Blues can't manage to get anything done.

 

[Sciamachy]

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Gotta imagine Pav is on the Blue's radar and a Shattinkirk + trade could get it done. Which could free up some of the Blues; Ott, Berglund and maybe more. I'm on the fence about Berglund, but if we don't have to give up much it could be worthwhile.

If the Blues and Sharks made a move like that I wouldn't mind looking at Lapierre as a righty 4th C. Both he and Schlem have one year left for similar salaries, maybe swing something around that.