Where will the Hughes-Hischier Duo Rank?

[Hischier and Hughes]

Oh man the homerism is off the charts with this post.

Look at the last 20 or 30 Calder winners. Very few were top 10 skaters, and I don't think any 18yos were.

Best skater since McDavid

Was he not a top-10 skater immediately?

 

[Devil Dancer]

Best skater since McDavid

Was he not a top-10 skater immediately?

Please tell me you're talking just about pure skating ability, and not overall ability as a hockey player.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Please tell me you're talking just about pure skating ability, and not overall ability as a hockey player.

I did say best skater , didnt I?!

But yes Im not saying Hughes is McDavid. However theyre practically copies of one another with Hughes being a tier below IMO

 

[Devil Dancer]

I did say best skater , didnt I?!

But yes Im not saying Hughes is McDavid. However theyre practically copies of one another with Hughes being a tier below IMO

Ok, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying Hughes would be a top-10 non-goalie player right away.

There are a ton of great skaters in the NHL, so it's still a bold assertion, but not totally ridiculous.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Ok, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying Hughes would be a top-10 non-goalie player right away.

There are a ton of great skaters in the NHL, so it's still a bold assertion, but not totally ridiculous.

Ah okay, I can see how that’d come across that way.

And there most certainly are amazing skaters - however skating is one thing that q person can stand out in early on and thats Hughes to a tee. When a guy skates the way Hughes, McDavid, Kane types do - theyre a special talent

 

[mouz135]

Ah okay, I can see how that’d come across that way.

And there most certainly are amazing skaters - however skating is one thing that q person can stand out in early on and thats Hughes to a tee. When a guy skates the way Hughes, McDavid, Kane types do - theyre a special talent

Bud, you’re not just drinking the koolaid, you’re swimming it. Let’s tone it back a bit until we see Hughes play a full season, then we can decide if he is worthy of these lofty expectations you’re placing on him. My guess, going out on a limb: I’d say no. And I’d comfortably wager a lot on that.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Bud, you’re not just drinking the koolaid, you’re swimming it. Let’s tone it back a bit until we see Hughes play a full season, then we can decide if he is worthy of these lofty expectations you’re placing on him. My guess, going out on a limb: I’d say no. And I’d comfortably wager a lot on that.

I didnt set expectations, these are the general consensus opinions of amateur scouts who all have Hughes as a PHENOM and him shattering records allows folks to have such expectations.

He did all the work to earn them, nobody set them for him. He set them for himself

 

[MtoD]

Probably averages out in the 5-7 range. Could definitely be top 5 if Hughes hits big (and Nico continues playing the way he is against 2nd line competition).. safe bet overall IMO to be top 10 though.

 

[ijuka]

Well, I guess I'm still sceptical about Hughes being as great as some see. The hockey IQ does seem lacking to me. On the topic of amateur scouts who do the media rankings, I did go ahead and check Puljujärvi's reports out, and these ones are very interesting with quotes like "Reads the play well and plays well away from the puck. Has excellent hockey sense." "A truly dominant two-way force that consistently demonstrates elite hockey sense, proactive defensive awareness, and a full array of offensive tools." which just is completely false and was clearly visible to anyone watching pre-draft. This is an example I used because I was quite invested in this player and because he's one of the dumbest hockey players I've seen. That's why I don't put a whole lot of stock to any "hockey IQ" statements by media scouts, I'll see and analyze them myself. It honestly feels like most people don't know what hockey sense actually is, or how to look for it(hint: it's not impressive-looking passes). It's possible Hughes will in a future game display higher-end IQ but for now, I've not seen it.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Honestly... If Colorado were to take Cozens, I'd probably take Mackinnon/Cozens over Hughes/Hischier.

 

[Addison Rae]

They’re gonna be the modern day version of RNH - Hall, but I doubt Hughes is even going to be as good as Hall.

 

[McFlash97]

Best skater since McDavid

Was he not a top-10 skater immediately?

There are 10 skaters in your sleep better then Hughes. Stop being a homer. Hughes rookie season he might crack the top 50 in skating.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

There are 10 skaters in your sleep better then Hughes. Stop being a homer. Hughes rookie season he might crack the top 50 in skating.

I have no clue what that means lol

 

[PucksOnNet]

Hughes is not going to play C in the NHL, he'll be moved to wing.

 

[Llamamoto]

there's a reason Hughes has been #1 on literally every single reputable draft ranking dating back to even before this yeasr

Yakupov was as well.

 

[Nocashstyle]

They’re gonna be the modern day version of RNH - Hall, but I doubt Hughes is even going to be as good as Hall.

I mean...considering this poll is about top 2 center depth and Hall isn’t a center, not sure how that’s a relevant comparison.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Yakupov was as well.

no actually that isnt true at all, but you knew that

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Honestly... If Colorado were to take Cozens, I'd probably take Mackinnon/Cozens over Hughes/Hischier.

this is a major yikes

 

[Mickey Marner]

Top-10 probably. I don't think either push you into top-5 territory for more than a year or two, at best.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

this is a major yikes

Cozens easily #4 but MacKinnon easily #1. That elite talent is harder to find.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Cozens easily #4 but MacKinnon easily #1. That elite talent is harder to find.

Im bot denying Cozens wont be drafted high but two first overalls seems like the very very clear choice, especially when one has the pedigree Hughes has

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Im bot denying Cozens wont be drafted high but two first overalls seems like the very very clear choice, especially when one has the pedigree Hughes has

I mean #4 of those 4 centers. f*** I hope he's not drafted that high. I want him or Byram.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Top-10 probably. I don't think either push you into top-5 territory for more than a year or two, at best.

You realize the poll is in three years right?

Its pretty much a given Jersey ends up top3-5 in their primes

 

[Mickey Marner]

You realize the poll is in three years right?

Its pretty much a given Jersey ends up top3-5 in their primes

It's not even a given that they will end up with better centers from the first round of these two drafts than the Vancouver Canucks.

Here are 26 centers drafted in the top 15, from the last 15 drafts.

Stamkos, Matthews, Tavares, Eichel, Domi, Duchene, Larkin, Barkov, Dubois, Zibanejad, Backstrom, Couturier, Hischier, Johansen, Crosby, Malkin, E. Staal, Sheifele, Seguin, MacKinnon, Toews, Couture, Monahan, Pettersson, McDavid, Kopitar.

Hischier/Hughes level centers (or even better) can be found in the top-15 almost twice a year on average.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

It's not even a given that they will end up with better centers from the first round of these two drafts than the Vancouver Canucks.

Here are 26 centers drafted in the top 15, from the last 15 drafts.

Stamkos, Matthews, Tavares, Eichel, Domi, Duchene, Larkin, Barkov, Dubois, Zibanejad, Backstrom, Couturier, Hischier, Johansen, Crosby, Malkin, E. Staal, Sheifele, Seguin, MacKinnon, Toews, Couture, Monahan, Pettersson, McDavid, Kopitar.

Hischier/Hughes level centers (or even better) can be found in the top-15 almost twice a year on average.

Hughes/Hischier types can be found in the top-15?

On that note ill end this conversation, god bless