He's won just about every regular season award he could win, now he finally wins it all with a Conn Smythe, silencing all his doubters. Where does the GOAT of our generation rank amongst the all time greats?
He's won just about every regular season award he could win, now he finally wins it all with a Conn Smythe, silencing all his doubters. Where does the GOAT of our generation rank amongst the all time greats?
Two things:
Just inside the top-20. It came up in the main boards, but I don’t see him ahead of Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Lemieux, Roy, Beliveau, Richard, Hull, Morenz, Crosby, Harvey, Plante, Messier, Bourque, Shore, Jagr, Nighbor, or Sawchuk. It’s good company though.
- How can you be the greatest of all-time of a generation?
- He’s not.
Ovechkin was the heart, the soul, and the leadership of this team. Kuznetsov will have his chances, but this CS was clearly Ovy's.Kuznetsov should have gotten that Smythe. He’s the one driving that line, driving the play, setting up guys all over the ice.
Kuznetsov should have gotten that Smythe. He’s the one driving that line, driving the play, setting up guys all over the ice.
Ovechkin was the heart, the soul, and the leadership of this team. Kuznetsov will have his chances, but this CS was clearly Ovy's.
Yeah. He had five fewer points, but he was the captain, the heart and soul, and he did have more goals. He's typically seen as a greater difference maker. Right?
What does Hull have over Ovechkin outside of being Canadian?Two things:
Just inside the top-20. It came up in the main boards, but I don’t see him ahead of Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Lemieux, Roy, Beliveau, Richard, Hull, Morenz, Crosby, Harvey, Plante, Messier, Bourque, Shore, Jagr, Nighbor, or Sawchuk. It’s good company though.
- How can you be the greatest of all-time of a generation?
- He’s not.
Wow, I don't see it. Ovechkin's Stanley Cup or no Stanley Cup, I'd have him (now) ahead of Hull, but with Jagr, Bourque, and Lidstrom ALL ahead of Ovechkin.I think Ovechkin is now ahead of Jagr, Bourque, and Lidstrom, and in the Hull's category.
What does Hull have over Ovechkin outside of being Canadian?
1036 | 604 | 549 | 1153 |
1003 | 607 | 515 | 1122 |
119 | 62 | 67 | 129 |
120 | 60 | 56 | 116 |
Hull is usually ranked close to the top 5, while it looks like Ovi might struggle to make the top 20 for some. Really makes you think.but what does hull have over ovechkin? a whole other career as the best player in the WHA.[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]
I think it would be fair to account for the increase in international competition - if Ovechkin had been born in Hull's time, well he wouldn't have competed for any of those awards with Hull.actually, their stats are remarkably similar. eerily similar.
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1036 604 549 1153 seven goal scoring titles each[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]
1003 607 515 1122
three art rosses and a hart vs three harts and an art ross
10 AST1s and 2 AST2s vs 7 AST1s and 3 AST2s (plus maybe another this season)*
* i don't count the extraneous AST2 from 2013, but given how big the league is, i think their AST accomplishments are very close even though hull has all those extra first teams
their playoff stats:
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119 62 67 129 but what does hull have over ovechkin? a whole other career as the best player in the WHA.[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]
120 60 56 116
I would have gone with him (would have gone with Kessel over Crosby as well), but Ovechkin was still damn good and instrumental in the Cup win. Didn't think he could have a playoffs this good at this stage of his career.
Ovechkin was the heart, the soul, and the leadership of this team. Kuznetsov will have his chances, but this CS was clearly Ovy's.
I think Ovechkin is now ahead of Jagr, Bourque, and Lidstrom, and in the Hull's category. I mean: seriously, what has Hull done that Ovechkin hasn't? I'll tell you: he hasn't had another Hart winner on his team. Bourque never won the Hart (he was close though) and never came close to the Conn Smythe. Ovy is also a much better RS performer than Richard.
Wow, I don't see it. Ovechkin's Stanley Cup or no Stanley Cup, I'd have him (now) ahead of Hull, but with Jagr, Bourque, and Lidstrom ALL ahead of Ovechkin.
I don't see peak/prime Ovechkin as being at Jagr's level. Ovechkin might now have a playoff performance that rivals Jagr's best, but other than that Jagr is ahead of him quite easily, I think.
That's correct. Ovy also has the physical presence, the leadership, and the *it* factor. It was a no-brainer, really.Yeah. He had five fewer points, but he was the captain, the heart and soul, and he did have more goals. He's typically seen as a greater difference maker. Right?
man. how do you guys think? I can't even...
Kessel vs kuznetsov is so different. Kessel was literally on the 3rd line. when you have malkin and Crosby as primary threats, it's a different thing to put up points then if you are kuznetsov the team's 1C playing the top matchups and everything.