I fairness though, Johansen was one of our best players last season in the playoffs. You really think we'll regret trading a guy that at best is our 3rd best defenseman for a top line center?
What's wrong with Ryan Johansen?
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Because one poster using only basic stats as arguments has a mindset that points are the only thing the salaries are based on and ignores all the other factors pointed out. He has named himself after McDavid.
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Andrei79
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I would love a passenger who outproduces everyone else.
Let's end this here, you're not interested in an honest debate.
It's weird to ask what's wrong with a player and then follow it up with stats showing he's on pace for almost exactly the same point total as the previous two seasons.
Was he in the top 15-20 in center scoring last year with fantastic advanced stats tho? Was he a PPG in 13 playoff games before his injury tho?
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He was a definitely an elite center in last year's playoffs, on both sides of the puck.
But yes, he is VERY frustrating to watch in the regular season, and it really appears his heart isn't in at at times (too many times for comfort).
As a Preds fan, it is uneasy to sit, wait and hope he ramps it up come playoff time. We'll see what happen this year.
That being said, we don't miss Jones a lick. Now, we could miss his perceived trade value, but no top tier young center has been traded since Johanssen was traded (unless you want to count Duchene).
I'd be all about going after Tavares in the offseason, and flipping Johansen for young assets.
Why?
He's the best center we've ever had, scores at a .75 rate, centers two 60 point wingers, is good defensively and is a beast in the playoffs. We've waited 20 years to get a no.1 center under 35, I'd gladly trade Seth Jones every day of the week and sign Johansen to a Toews-esque contract and still be ok with it.
Just because he's not an elite center like a Malkin or Crosby does not mean it was a bad deal for Nashville, or that Johansen's a bad player. You just lack context.
Yes. Again he centered 2 30+ goal scoring wingers in back to back seasons what other centers have done that?
Not the worst trade ever but looking back they certainly could have done better. You can't win every trade however.
What options were there? From what I can remember RNH was the only "no.1" center available besides Johansen and I'd take Johansen over RNH any day of the weak. I'd say the deal was equal, like the Iginla for Nieuwendyk deal.
Ok, and in that one good playoff run he was our best player and we went to the finals. Does it bother me that he's not a regular season guy? sure, but he's still among the top scorers on one of the best teams in the league and has shown he has an extra gear here.
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Actually, "literally" 27p in 34 career playoff games. Few current players average better.
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There are fair criticisms of Joey:
- He is slightly overpaid.
- He tries to hard to be a playmaker which hurts his goals and overall points stat lines
- His effort game to game in the regular season leaves much to be desired at times
- He isn't producing at the level expected this year.
Ultimately, he will be judged my his playoff performance. He proved last year a motivated Joey is a dominant Joey. I think there would likely be more push back from the fan base if the team wasn't so deep up front and others weren't filling in offensively. But for now everything is gravy.
- He is slightly overpaid.
- He tries to hard to be a playmaker which hurts his goals and overall points stat lines
- His effort game to game in the regular season leaves much to be desired at times
- He isn't producing at the level expected this year.
Ultimately, he will be judged my his playoff performance. He proved last year a motivated Joey is a dominant Joey. I think there would likely be more push back from the fan base if the team wasn't so deep up front and others weren't filling in offensively. But for now everything is gravy.
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It's about value, not context
When you factor in age + cap hit, Jones has considerably more value than Johansen
It reminds me of the Chelios for Savard trade. Yes, Savard had some productive seasons and the Habs won the Cup, but in hindsight, it's looked at as one of the worst trades in NHL history
So give it another decade or so and let's see how you feel about things then
In another decade Johansen will most likely have the most points by a center for the Preds franchise, so I don't know if that really works out for your argument. Just because Jones had more value then and a hell of a lot more value now doesn't take away the fact that Johansen is valuable for Nashville.
I'm sure I'd feel the same way I do now, unless we won the cup in which case I'd feel even better.
zhok
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McDavid or Stamkos weren't available for Jones. Which top center could the Preds have traded Jones for instead? Duchene?
Jones was a playing on the bottom pair and was traded for a top line center.
And of course you have to take it in real life context.
And of course you have to take it in real life context.
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