What's up with Aho?

[tarheelhockey]

I’m happy these threads give me an opportunity to exercise my ignore button. Good bye.

He is off to a grrrrrreat start. So I have no idea why this thread was created. Bye.

You can't spell Mahalo without Aho

Good bye

There’s something strange happening here.

 

[JustaFinnishGuy]

Stop.

Marner hype > Aho hype I agree

 

[tarheelhockey]

Better than Marner for sure.

This keeps coming up in Aho threads and I’m not sure if it’s sarcastic or not.

Do people realize Aho has the same number of points in fewer games, while playing on a line with Ferland and Teravainen? And being pretty good defensively?

 

[Puckstuff]

He's on the fringe in the Larkin/Pavelski/Monahan range. I'd say he's a low end # 1 C right now. He will only continue to improve.

 

[jonlin]

This keeps coming up in Aho threads and I’m not sure if it’s sarcastic or not.

Do people realize Aho has the same number of points in fewer games, while playing on a line with Ferland and Teravainen? And being pretty good defensively?

I`d say you are selling him short with "pretty good defensively".

 

[WesMcCauley]

yes he is

 

[tarheelhockey]

He's on the fringe in the Larkin/Pavelski/Monahan range. I'd say he's a low end # 1 C right now. He will only continue to improve.

I don’t want to overly pump his tires here, because the 1C list is impressive and hard to move up. But Aho literally has twice as many points as Larkin and Monahan, and 5 times as many as Pavelski (10 vs 2) in his time at C. And again, he’s quite good defensively and has been a lot better than Larkin on draws.

The points will even out as the season progresses, but so far he’s been pretty clearly the best player in this group and should probably be ranked a tier up from them.

 

[LivingRentFree]

Aho will never be in the same ballpark as Marner. Wonderful player, but plz stop.

 

[FinnishSniper]

He will 100% score 80+ points.

 

[jonlin]

Aho will never be in the same ballpark as Marner. Wonderful player, but plz stop.

Cant really tell if you are serious or not? Have you watched Hurricanes play?

Marner 6gp 3g 7a 10p +3 Winger

career 165g 44g 96a 140p +4


Aho 5gp 4g 6a 10p +7 Center FO 53,23%

career 165g 57g 67a 124p +10

Aho faces other teams top shutdown lines, has inferior linemates on a worse team. He still scores more, is way better defensively and is a C.
Do you expect Marner to score more with Staal, Teräväinen, Ferland or Matthews, Nylander, Tavares?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I’ll withhold judgment until he has 1/2 of a season in. He’s looked great, but it’s only 5 games.

 

[LemurFromTheId]

But... t-this article clearly says that "Aho at Center Is Destined to Fail"...

 

[Felidae]

Aho will never be in the same ballpark as Marner. Wonderful player, but plz stop.

Discounting this season, Aho had 114 points and 53 goals in 160 games. That's an average of 27 goals and 58 points in 82 games.

In comparison, Marner had 130 points and 47 goals in 159 games. An average of 67 points and 21 goals in 82 games.

While the goalscoring gap Aho has over Marner isn't as large as Marner's point production gap. That's mostly due to Aho's rookie season, which was clearly worse than Marners.
But Aho's last season was in the same tier as marners, he had 4 less points in 7 less games played while scoring 5 more goals.

 

[Hokinaittii]

Anyone saying Aho isn't on the same level than Marner clearly hasn't watched him enough.

 

[MMANumminen]

Aho will never be in the same ballpark as Marner. Wonderful player, but plz stop.

True. I don't see Aho declining either. He has been progressing steadily

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Aho will never be in the same ballpark as Marner. Wonderful player, but plz stop.

If anyone needs to stop it’s you because your post is plain delusional.

 

[SI90]

Legit Top4 Defensman in the AHL right now.

 

[ijuka]

Very legit 1C.

Aho will never be in the same ballpark as Marner. Wonderful player, but plz stop.

That must be why he's scoring at a higher rate this season. Aho's got 10 points, next highest scoring teammate 7. Marner isn't anywhere near the scoring lead for his team.

And BTW, Marner's a winger.

 

[bluedevil58]

Marner couldn't put up 60 on the Canes. Aho can. Aho does not have the cushioning of Matthew's and now Tavares leading to padded stats. Marner does. Aho > Marner.

That is all.

 

[Tripod]

I don’t want to overly pump his tires here, because the 1C list is impressive and hard to move up. But Aho literally has twice as many points as Larkin and Monahan, and 5 times as many as Pavelski (10 vs 2) in his time at C. And again, he’s quite good defensively and has been a lot better than Larkin on draws.

The points will even out as the season progresses, but so far he’s been pretty clearly the best player in this group and should probably be ranked a tier up from them.

So tiers should change based on a 5/6 game sample size? That doesn't seem silly to you?

And Monahan is on a 98 point pace so it's not like he is underperforming. Or Larkin at an 82 point pace. They are playing very good too.

Point is, just be happy with Aho's start. Come the end of the year, if he jumps from the 69ish point tier to the 70 or 80 point tier, then he will get the credit. No need to "push" him there off such a small sample size. Enjoy the ride, he looks great!

 

[BB88]

He's a damm beauty.

Very legit 1C.


That must be why he's scoring at a higher rate this season.

And BTW, Marner's a winger.

Ya but I'm guessing this time the always loved C> W won't suddenly work

 

[ijuka]

So tiers should change based on a 5/6 game sample size? That doesn't seem silly to you?

"Sample size" is for using statistics and deriving something meaningful off them. Indeed, by his scoring alone, you probably shouldn't reach too many conclusions.

However, "Sample size" has nothing to do with the way he's actually playing right now, something you can see if you just open your eyes and watch him play.

 

[LaymanX]

I just want to stop reading about Leafs please.

This is coming from a Leafs fan who naively clicked on this thread, hoping to learn more about other team's players.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Marner couldn't put up 60 on the Canes. Aho can. Aho does not have the cushioning of Matthew's and now Tavares leading to padded stats. Marner does. Aho > Marner.

That is all.

How do you know that? People are acting like Marner is a product of his team for god sakes. I am probably one of the few who actually watch both every game. My opinions

- It's been like 5ish games, so we need to kind of get a bigger sample size. However Aho has been all over the ice and clearly a franchise forward.

- Marner is being undersold defensively (and if we are saying Marner gets better offense support then Aho gets way better defense support)

- I don't know who I would take but no one should be coming into this thread and pretending there is some sort of clear gap. Marner is a much smarter player with more insane vision and a better passer / playmaker. Aho appears to be stronger, able to play in traffic better, has a better shot. Both elite skaters. It's very hard to say one is better than the other

- Let's stop pretending that Aho has no support as well.. The Canes are a good team this year and yes that has a lot to do with Aho but they have scoring depth in the lineup for the first time in forever it feels like. His linemates are also playing really well. Marner is playing with JT yes but last year had Bozak and JVR and then Kadri and Brown/Marleau and they were playing at a similar pace. I don't think these linemates have any impact beyond maybe a few point difference a season.

So really I have no idea who I take. All I can say is they are in the same tier. I guess if Aho is going to be a center you take him when starting a team but to be fair to the Leafs Marner could be a center as well (was in Junior) but he is just not needed there.

People really need to stop this whole another planet / another level stuff. Most of the time the players are way closer than anyone admits.

 

[Tripod]

"Sample size" is for using statistics and deriving something meaningful off them. Indeed, by his scoring alone, you probably shouldn't reach too many conclusions.

However, "Sample size" has nothing to do with the way he's actually playing right now, something you can see if you just open your eyes and watch him play.

And there is nothing wrong with saying you think he is going to take that next step to jump up tiers. I am saying that to conclude he should already based off of 5 games, is silly. Especially to say he should now be tier above 2 people who are on 82 point and 98 point seasons, themselves.

And this is not an Aho thing, I have saispd in many threads before that I see nothing wrong with players actually PROVING they belong in tier, before placing them there over guys who have proved it. Especially over ones who have proved it multiple times.

Just like it would be silly for someone to say Hamilton needs to be dropped down to a 30 point Dman tier because of his 2 points in 5 games. Or Lindholm needs to pushed up to higher tier based in his 6 points in 5 games. It's all silly.

Let guys prove it over the season. I see nothing wrong with that. And fwiw,
I have said before that I think Aho can be a PPG player. Not trying to put him down at all. Just let him do it. What's wrong with that?